Petroleum demand and population growth rates seem too high

[Storm_Chasee]

With the same game as before (US2020), my petroleum demand is as high as the next 15 countries combined! The demand for just the population is about as high as for the next 10-12 countries combined.

The demand has doubled in 10 years. The population has grown from a bit over 300 million to about 570 million so that has nearly doubled. That brings me to the second issue. The growth rate seems too high. I realize my health rating is 200% and I have over 40 million births, but only 5 million deaths a year. That's less than 1 % indicating the average life expectancy is over 100 years. My net immigration is about 8-10 million a year. So my population is growing about 45 million a year. That's about an 8% growth rate.

BTW is there something that will beef up rubber production or cut its demand pretty soon?

[alation13]

First off if you have not scrapped all your petrol power plants do that. Also by increasing the domestic cost of the petroleum, you can reduce demand.

About rubber, I have not played for a few months but were serious issues with rubber, mainly that they really limited where it could be produced, even to the point of removing from brazil for the 2020 campaign.

[MrRipper]

You could mod production/demand, but i dont agree with you. Why would petroleom price be dropping if there is too much demand? The values of the countries in rl are just way off. SR2020 was much better at this. Not everyone plays US..

[Storm_Chasee]

Originally posted by alation13:

First off if you have not scrapped all your petrol power plants do that. Also by increasing the domestic cost of the petroleum, you can reduce demand.

About rubber, I have not played for a few months but were serious issues with rubber, mainly that they really limited where it could be produced, even to the point of removing from brazil for the 2020 campaign.

Merry Christmas.

Scrapping the power petrol plants was the first thing I did since I had plenty of power. That reduced my petroleum demand by about 5-10% which helped. I also reduced the production of industrial and military goods. My petroleum price is presently set to 30% above cost. I thought about ramping that up and have from cost though that increase didn't impact demand. I'm also concerned about how that would impact popular support. My support is high (~55%) and production seems highly dependent on support in this game even though I set it to moderate before I started the game.I don't want to to anything major there that would disrupt support. Once it's it 200% above cost, you can't go any higher.

What seems really out of whack is my demand and production in comparison with the next 15 countries combined.

On a side note I thought high domestic prices was driving my high inflation problem. That would actually make more sense than having a low unemployment rate driving high inflation. Reducing my domestic prices to cost or below cost didn't help.

WRT rubber one thing I noticed was the areas where I could build a rubber plantation in Hawaii in SR1936 were gone in Ultimate. My rubber production is solely based on synthetic rubber. I was hoping there was a tech that would increase the production rate without using more petroleum.Or even have a new facility that doesn't need any goods or only needing power only. I haven't seen it and the facilty capacty is pathetic in comparison with other sites. The game says market availility is excellent, but I don't see any significant surplus to trade for in the trade list.

[alation13]

I found that I didn't have too much of a hassle with inflation if I cranked up one or two resourses and drasticaly lowered all the rest, but it allowed me to control my imports.

[Thadom69]

People don't realize you need to enact population control... if you want your nation to be stable for continuous years . . having any increase in population is good.. too much is bad

[Thadom69]

let me show you with some screenshotss of my own game as canada, 415 million people.. domestic approvall rating 22 %... perrfect..2 mill imigration 1mill emegration, 10.5 births, 9 deaths.. thsi to me is perfect for longevitiy. taxes maxed out besides large and small business virtually no taxes there, and no pension tax, doing this creates the lowests demand for goods possible. allso i have maxx prices on all my goods. Social services are not a 1 size fits all situation you need to start neutral at reccomended and lower all life benifiting services down to 20% and every now and then check your population statusif its negitive then you need to invest more into health care and minor increase in other health benifiting services family substidy, social assistance, i typically keep law enforcement and social assistance alwayys reccomended as it's the cheapest best benifit to average social rating.. which mine isa steady 66.3 percent .

All i'm saying is populatiuon control is your friend not enemy making all yourpeoplehappy might be a good thing but impossible to keep up with demands..as why on earth would you want 40 million people every anual session generated in your nation thats stupid.. its not the game you're the manager manage it right.


do what i toldl you about taxes just do it once and watch your domestic demands sky rocket down to the lowest possible level.pretty cool huh? makes sense lesss money they hasves less goods they buy.

[Storm_Chasee]

Interesting.

What are your inflation and unemployment levels? I was combatting high inflation/low unemployment with high pop growth and high business taxes. I'm trying to figure out the best way to optimize the game with my preferred style of play and am having trouble doing so. I prefer to have lower taxes across the board and build a stronger ecomony. When I do that I get sky-high inflation. You shouldn't have high (15+%) inflation with a strong economy. Inflation seems to be driven solely by unemployment rate. My inflation is now down to about 7% while unemployment rate is up to about 3.7. Those values were 16 and 2.5 about 5 game years before.

The other thing I'm concerned about is as the aproval rate goes down, the production goes down too. My previous experience is that production goes down fater than demand. I don't want to run into a death spiral with production going down faster than demand. Given that my situation as relatively stable I don't want to do anything rash.

How long did it take to get Canada to 415 million? Or did you conquer countries?

I do have quite a spread on the social spending. The average rating is over 100 with family subsidy and the last one being well below 100. I'm well under recommended spending on health and yet have a 200 rating due to tech. I could cut that more to reduce the pop growth, but that would cut approval rate as people don't have as good of health care.

[Storm_Chasee]

I guess the other thing is that the number of death shouldn't be as low given population as it is unless they're saying that the average life expectency is on the order of 100-150 years. Also the amount ofirriths seems way too high. Affluence and long life expectentcy historically tends to reduce birth rates not increase them.

I just checked the number of birth in the US and it has average around 4 million per year for about 25 years with a pop of 300 million. At most I should be seeing about 10-12 milion births not 40 million.

Bottomline, my population should not be growing as fast as it is. As a player I should have control over immigration policy and thus determine how many come into the country.

With population growing way too fast that makes demands for some of the goods grow way too fast.

[[ITA]Getix]

Yeah, there should be a way to at least curtail immigration.

I'm playing Italy 1936 with "No Sphere" option turned on. I get around 2.2 million immigrants per year + 1.5m net popolution growth from my population.

Petrol demand is completely out of control (price @ 200%, 750.000 barrels/day from citizens - 1.050.000 with everything turned to 100% capacity), as consumer goods demands (price at 175%, 6.000 production, around 7.500 demand), timber and agriculture..