Politics and Trump Ideology

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This thread was originally titled "SR 9.0.73 Changelog" but as the majority of responses have been about the Trump Ideology tech and various political debates, we've renamed it, instead of mass-deleting the off topic comments.

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[way2co0l_2003]

What the.... What is this thread even? Seriously... It's a game. Everyone's so caught up in their propaganda ideals that you have to argue everything all the time. Just let it be a game. Whether people agree or not, it's a fantasy scenario that some will enjoy playing. If you're not one of them, then don't play it. This is why game developers stop offering interesting gameplay options, because everyone wants to ***** at them for it.

I for one am glad that the developers are continuing to offer interesting updates long after I expected further development to be dead. With response threads like this, I'm not exactly confident that's going to continue being the case. Shame.

Take care, chill a little, and let a game be a game.

[Nike-Ajax]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

Did you guys at Battlegoats update Ukraine? Or do I have to play a Campagin by myself as NATO and create a coup there and support Neo Nazi Brigades?

Let's be realistic now? No?

How about the Nuland Ideology "F*ck the EU" sounds like a good tech to me.

How bouts some BREXIT!?

With all due and undue respect:

... Only drooling and Glue-sniffing unenlightened fools with an extra set of Chromosome 21 believes that NATO created a "coup" in Ùkraine.

Which incidentally are the same people who believe the monochromatic, transparent, infantile and completely irrational claim, that the people fighting russian forces and militias are Neo Nazis.
If one is to regurgitate silly Soviet propaganda Ad Nauseam, then one should at least try to find a few new words to describe ones enemies.

Also - and rather amusingly in this context - then RUSSIA is the country with the MOST Neo-nazis, in FACT then RUSSIANs constitute around 50% of the worlds neo-nazis (from wikipedia):




" Neo-Nazism in Russia: The photograph was taken at an anti-homosexual demonstration in Moscow in October 2010
Many Russian neo-Nazis openly admire Adolf Hitler and use the swastika as their symbol. Russian neo-Nazis are characterized by racism, antisemitism, homophobia, Islamophobia and extreme xenophobia towards people from Asia.[68] Their ideology centers on defending Russian national identity against what they perceive as a takeover by minority groups such as Jews, Caucasians, homosexuals, Central Asians, East Asians, Roma people, and Muslims. There is also a widespread gay rights nazi skinhead subculture with its own Vkontakte group, GASH, and an alleged 1700 members in Moscow alone.[69]

Russian neo-Nazis have made it an explicit goal to take over the country by force, and have put serious effort into preparing for this. Paramilitary organizations operating under the guise of sports clubs have trained their members in squad tactics, hand to hand combat and weapons handling. They have stockpiled and used weapons, often illegally.

Some observers have noted a subjective irony of Russians embracing Nazism, because one of Hitler's ambitions at the start of World War II was the Generalplan Ost (Master Plan East) which envisaged to exterminate, expel, or enslave most or all Slavs from central and eastern Europe (e.g., Russians, Ukrainians, Poles etc.).[70] Russian neo-Nazis deny the authenticity of this plan and instead emphasize the 1939-1941 Nazi-Soviet alliance.[70] At the end of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, over 25 million Soviet citizens had died.[71] In a 2007 news story, ABC News reported, "In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."[72]

The dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 caused great economic and social problems, including widespread unemployment and poverty. Several far right paramilitary organizations were able to tap into popular discontent, particularly among marginalized, lesser educated and unemployed youths. Of the three major age groups — youths, adults, and the elderly — youths may have been hit the hardest. The elderly suffered due to inadequate (or unpaid) pensions, but they found effective political representation in the Communist Party, and generally had their concerns addressed through better budget allocations. Adults, although often suffering financially and psychologically due to job losses, were generally able to find new sources of income.

Russian National Unity (RNE), founded in 1990 and led by Alexander Barkashov, has claimed to have members in 250 cities. RNE adopted the swastika as its symbol, and sees itself as the avant-garde of a coming national revolution. It is critical of other major far right organizations, such as the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR). Historian Walter Laqueur calls RNE far closer to the Nazi model than the LDPR. RNE publishes several news sheets; one of them, Russky poryadok, claims to have a circulation of 150,000. Full members of RNE are called Soratnik (comrades in arms), receive combat training at locations near Moscow, and many of them work as security officers or armed guards.[73]

On August 15, 2007, Russian authorities arrested a student for allegedly posting a video on the Internet which appears to show two migrant workers being beheaded in front of a red and black swastika flag.[74] Alexander Verkhovsky, the head of a Moscow-based center that monitors hate crime in Russia, said, "It looks like this is the real thing. The killing is genuine ... There are similar videos from the Chechen war. But this is the first time the killing appears to have been done intentionally."[75] A Russian neo-Nazi group called the Russian National Socialist Party claimed responsibility for the murders."



Which in itself is astoundingly stupid as Adolf Hitler clearly described that he was going to kill all slavs...

But back to Ukraine:

Its not that Russia have tried to manipulate the Ukraine situation, its that they did and still do it so unbelievably incompetently and with as much grace as a blindfolded drunk elephant in a a porcelain shop, that one must ask the question if the Russian gameplan for destabalizing Ukraine was made by oxygene-deprived monkeys on LSD...

A Maskirovka for Morons as it were ...

The fact that russian forces shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) with a 9K37 Buk Misssile system, was just one incredibly stupid, irrational and very incompetent facet of it.

But then again its not the first time Nekulturnyi peasants in the russian forces have shot down civilian airliners:

All the way back to the 40´s:

Kaleva OH-ALL, Korean Air Lines Flight 902, Korean Air Lines Flight 007, 1993 Transair Georgian Airline shootdowns....

Im not claiming that they do it on purpose every time. Its could be a combination of mindboggling stupidity and incompetence... ?


Brexit is obviously already modeled. This would be clear if you understood the game, as Britain does not have any international commitments and treaties.
Nor for that matter does anyone else.

Nulands position is nothing new and clearly in line with both Obama and Clinton. AS they dont really give a föck about Europe. Clinton more so as she doesnt really give a föck about anyone but Hillary Clinton.

[Drunk Monkey]

“It's not what you don't know that kills you, it's what you know for sure that ain't true.”

― Mark Twain

[Nike-Ajax]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

You're kidding right? Probably time to stop drinking Western Koolaide. In my country the government/police do absolutely nothing about Neo Nazi's and our National Broadcaster continues to lie about what goes on in Ukraine in the rest of the world. Don't take it from me. Google CBC and follow their stories for a good month and you'll see what I mean.

Kidding... ? Obviously not.

It is rather you who must be kidding if you actually believe that anyone including myself, will actually understand your position when you not only fail in explaining what your conclusion actually is.

But also fail to mount a single coherent argument for your idea, whatever that may be.

I dont know what your country is, but from what you write, then it seems like you are Russian.

At any rate then Feelings, sentiments and loose ideas are NOT relevant arguments. Nor is in fact pseudo-academic circular arguments.

To be even more blunt, then who cares what you think, feel or mean. If you cant make a single rational and verifiable argument, then its just hot air.

To follow your strange logic and shallow half-arguments, then it would make much more sense for you to stop drinking vodka before posting.

[Imperator]

Crazy media is at it again. Today they released a slew of stories painting Castro as a "hero" who has survived "countless assassination" attempts. The USA is going totally communist unless Trump stops the gravy train NOW. USA is fast going bankrupt at 20 TRILLION IN DEBT, over 100% of GDP. Look at how crappily Japan (which has had the added benefit of being propped up by the USA despite its suicidal fiscal policy) has done since the 80's with those kinds of huge Debt/GDP ratio numbers. I never thought I'd see a time when Russia was nationalist/traditionalist and USA was communist. How times have changed since the 80's. Clearly many people in USA are walking around totally clueless and zombified these days, unable to appreciate how good we've had it being free of the communist menace, and brainwashed by the education system (more like reeducation system).

I don't know about you, but I don't want to live my life being dictated to by a "central authority" telling me when and where I can start a business or conduct my affairs. It makes the Declaration of Independence totally pointless.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/americas/cuba-fidel-castro-at-90-after-assassination-plots/index.html

[Nike-Ajax]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

I'm not kidding. Besides a bit of beer my posts were coherent enough.

"... Only drooling and Glue-sniffing unenlightened fools with an extra set of Chromosome 21 believes that NATO created a "coup" in Ùkraine."

So what was with the 5 billion to Ukraine? Was it so Nuland could hand out 5 billion dollars in cookies at the Maidan protests?

Hows about "Our boy Yatz"?

I find it rich anyone blaming what happened in Ukraine on Russia or that the nation even took advantage of the situation. My point all along has been that only certain truths or "realities" are shown in this game. And if they really want to get political like they did with this Trump Ideology stuff (singling out Trump) they should include Western Nazi Ukraine and Eastern Rebel Ukraine. I was making quips.

Anyway it's pretty obvious who had their hands in the cookie jar in Ukraine and only an idiot or as you put it, someone with an extra chromosome purposely ignores all evidence to the contrary and somehow vindicates the USA and NATO for what happened in Ukraine?

Look at the staggering similarities between the attempted coup in Venezuala and the successful one in Ukraine. (check out how snipers were shooting both protesers and police at Maidan) same thing happened in the Venezualan coup of 2002.

Coups are the American Modus Operandi

here's a good link to get you started.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela

or there is this alternative article, it has a few cookies in there, and they aren't worth 5 billion... Or maybe they are?

http://www.alternet.org/world/americas-coup-machine-destroying-democracy-1953

and of course then there is the kill count. Quite large and getting larger by the day.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

I guess you will be saying next it's the Russians who supply ISIS their TOW missiles and Toyota trucks and heavy weapons, mortars and grenades too eh? Or that it is really the Russians trading stolen Syrian Oil for cash from ISIS instead of Turkey a NATO member?

I really could care less if you can't put what I say together, I write what comes to mind. I'm not going to sit for a half hour and write up a proper formal summary, this is a forum.

Atleast know who and what you're defending and vindicating before doing so.

And one more thing that's obvious is you're a Russophobe. Plain as day.

"The fact that russian forces shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) with a 9K37 Buk Misssile system"

I assume you have proof of this? We all know the Dutch "investigation" was a scam. Why was the airliner directed over or not directed away from an active warzone? Where are the ATC recordings? Why was there a fighter that climbed to approach it? Where are those US satellite pictures they say proves it was Eastern Rebels? Etc. Etc. I've done enough research of my own to conclude I can't know what happened, as I am no ballistics expert. But I know when I am being lied to. You on the other hand seem to think you do know what happened, and/or trust the "official" (NATO) explanation for what occured at face value.

This will be long and for that I am sorry to the other readers (if any), but sadly that cannot be helped...

Firstly then let me make something very clear non-Tovarich Russkiy, for everyone can obviously see you for the nationalistic russian megaphone that you are:

I am not a Russophobe - at all.

Rather I have a pronounced aversion to selfinflated idiots and fools, regardless of nation, colour, sexual preference, religion and creed. Moreso when members of said cross-national groups pretend to be enlightened and intelligent, while de facto mounting excatly ZERO actual adult, rational and verifiable arguments.

And this goes to a even higher level when they have the audacity to look down upon their intellectual, or at least rhetorical betters.

Yes ... I did write that. Your posts paint that picture much clearer that I could. Even if I could be bothered.

It is quite obvious in fact that it is YOU who looks down upon non-russian, thus making you the phobic, if that is actually relevant to this discussion. I must presume because you are under the fallacy that the russians are the chosen people - the Übermench as it were.

Regarding that, then its funny that you did not want to comment on the fact that +50% of the worlds Neo-nazis are Russian, while you manage to make the moronic and involuntarily funny comment that the Ukrainians fighting russian forces are neo-nazis... statistically speaking there would in fact be a much higher probability that the russians are Neo-nazis...

Maybe you know from personal experience, I dont know, and frankly I dont care. Your failure to adress that issue speaks volumes in itself.

To sum up: I despise and hate rascists no matter their colour, just as I despise and hate anti-democratic nationalistic demagogues. Whereever they are and whatever their background.


Now then ... having clarified that shall we see if we can dissect your nationalistic pseudo-arguments and circular logic?

"So what was with the 5 billion to Ukraine? Was it so Nuland could hand out 5 billion dollars in cookies at the Maidan protests?"

Ukraine is not an integral part of Russia. Just as they never were an integral part of the Soviet Union. This might and probably will offend your nationalistic sensibilities.
But the fact is that Ukraine no more wants to be a part of Russia than Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia to name a few. But they have the problem that hundreds of thousand of russians were moved to their countries during and before the cold war. And they cant really get rid of them as it were.

So the easy or short answer to your rhetorical question, is that Ukraine was supported becuase they needed the help. And they clearly felt more closely aligned with Europa than with Russia under Putin. Much like all the other former Warsaw Pact member states in fact.
As Russia mounted political and military pressure on Ukraine to accept their puppet Viktor Yanukovych, and failed, then Ukraine´s options was limited.

Yanukovich is wanted for numerous crimes, including jailing his political opponent, but ran to his Russian masters even before he was wanted for his crimes.

At any rate Nuland is an incomptent fool. But stupidity and imcompetence does not mean that the USA and even less the EU orchestrated the events in Ukraine.


"I find it rich anyone blaming what happened in Ukraine on Russia or that the nation even took advantage of the situation."

I find it incomprehensible and frankly unrealistic that anyone - outside of russia, which does exclude you - would believe that Russia have NOT tried everything including Maskirovka to topple the Ukrainian government and bring Crimea and the eastern parts of Ukraine under Russian control.

As I wrote, then its not so much that Russia have actively worked to subvert Ukrain. But rather that they have been so mindbogglingly incompetent and transparent about it. I would actually have expected more from Mr. Putin, FSB and Spetznas, who by no means are incompetent or stupid.

"Western Nazi Ukraine"

Try adding a few new and less unenlightened insults for variation ... as written above then statistically there are far more russian nazis than anywhere else ... combined. And thus including Ukraine. There might be some russian nazis now that have infiltrated Ukraine though, but I have no data on that.

"Anyway it's pretty obvious who had their hands in the cookie jar in Ukraine"

You claim some western combined conspiracy, but only hint at it, let alone bring a single shred of evidence for your claim. Be concrete or drop the farce...

To all but Russians, then its VERY clear and onvious and described at length in numerous independent sources, that its Russia who are trying in Soviet style to get Buffer-space between Russia and Europe.

"Look at the staggering similarities between the attempted coup in Venezuala and the successful one in Ukraine."

Oh ... you mean the fact that Nicolás Maduro have retained power illegally in spite of clearly losing the election, ruling Venezuela by decree for most of his term?
And managing to bring Venezuela to the brink of complete chaos and economic disaster in the process?

No. I dont see any rational and actual similarities there at all. Except for the fact that Russia supports the anti-democratic factions in both places. But I guess that was not the point you were trying - and failing - to make?


"Coups are the American Modus Operandi"

Actually ... in the last 40 years ... no. Name One. And NO I am not an american - not that that would change the facts.

Which is more that can be said for Russia: Afghanistan 1979, Azerbaijan (1988-1991), the baltic states in the 90´s jut to name a few.

Rather anti-democratic violent strikedown seems to be the usual Soviet/Russian Modus Operandi:

The extremely violent suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, the Prague Spring in 1968, the Colour revolutions from 1989 and forwards where Russia tried and failed to suppress them.

Also one can judge a nation by the friend they keep: In Russias case sadly mostly dictatorships like Belarus, Iran, Syria and ... Venezuela

Your "sources" does not really show what you claim. And in fact one of them are about half a breath from believing in that the UFO´s kidnapped Elvis and Tinfoil hats protect you from the braincontrol rays.

And the other are clearly a politically driven person who have an clear politicla agenda without any real arguments, oh and this is the correct address:

https://www.popularresistance.org/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/

Among his more stupid and unfounded claims are this:

"The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation. (1,2,3,4)"

I can see why his mental ramblings would be right up your nationalistic russian alley ...

In other words they are utterly useless and completely unreliable in any sense.

Try some real sources instead. Like this for instance:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-icc-must-prosecute-russia/2015/02/12/1755105c-b2c0-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html?utm_term=.a6e4c3e0b693

"I guess you will be saying next it's the Russians who supply ISIS their TOW missiles and Toyota trucks and heavy weapons, mortars and grenades too eh? Or that it is really the Russians trading stolen Syrian Oil for cash from ISIS instead of Turkey a NATO member?"

No actually what I AM going to say is that Russia systematically bomb every resistance group EXCEPT ISIS - to Help Assad and to kill or weaken the moderate Syrian resistance like the Free Syrian Army. And that they support and supply Assad with weapons, ressources and money. Keeping him and his regime alive and able to murder women and children with barrel bombs, chemical weapons, snipers, Napalm and FAE-/clusterbombs.

"I really could care less if you can't put what I say together, I write what comes to mind"

Oh I think the last part is very clear to everyone. As opposed to the first part.

" I'm not going to sit for a half hour and write up a proper formal summary,"

And yet you bit** and moan and write an long reply...

""The fact that russian forces shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) with a 9K37 Buk Misssile system"

I assume you have proof of this?"

Yes an independent and approved and thourough investigation by a Dutch team, who proved it.

"We all know the Dutch "investigation" was a scam"

If by "we" you mean russian nationalists who are unable and unqualified to read the actual scientific dissertation and investigation, then you are probably right. But who cares what they think - those that actually know what they are talking about can see what happened very clearly.

"Where are the ATC recordings?"

Probably stolen by the russian soldiers who swarmed around the site taking anything they could get their hands on and doing their best to hinder the crash teams investigations after the shoot-down of the plane.

And let me add that the 9K37 Buk Misssile system is not a simple shoulder-mounted missile. But rather requires careful maintenance and competent soldiers to fire it.
Which for that reason alone means that it must have been russian soldiers who launched it.

At a civilian airliner.

Again.

So..

Do try to mount an argument. That is your right, and something I will always support.

But dont whine and cry if I do not accept irrational pseudoarguments. Or if I dont believe in your Super Replicators (a lie repeated enough times to almost - but only almost - make it true).

Again: I have nothing against russians. I am not even sure I have anything against you, because I dont really know you. In fact I believe that Russia and Europa and North America have much in common and share common enemies.

But with all due respect, then I really dont like the way you express your convictions, and need valid arguments if I were to see any of the points you are trying to make ...

[Sir Cremonese]

There are lots of things that We people don't know about the Countries diplomacy and politics, hidden between all the facts that the media show to us, because the public opinion is a very strong weapon.
So it's very difficult to understand what is true, what is not and what is just a mask to hidden some diplomatic/political action, bad or good.

I just hope that our World don't become like my last Supreme Ruler gameplay.

[NestorUA]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

I'm Canadian and I am tired of my media lying. Is the point. I don't believe anything the USA or my own Government says, nothing NATO says and nothing the Russians say either. I come to my conclusions after seeing all sides of stories. It's pretty clear the US funded and organized a coup in Ukraine with extremist right wing groups, Svboda and the Right Sector, etc. Who burned people alive in Odessa, helped their brothers in arms in the military (many of which who switched and joined the Eastern Rebels in the end) shell schools, drop bombs on towns, etc. Western Ukraine has marches celebrating Stepan Bandera for gods sake. If there are any Russian military in ukraine they are there to protect civilians, as they were in Georgia as they are anywhere they go. USA is the expansionist entity, not Russia.

When viewed on your part, it turns out that without Russian military, civilians in Ukraine has no chance for a peaceful life, and that the Ukrainian army either does nothing or destroys their people on their land as much as 25 years. I want you to feel like this when they come to "protect" civilians in your country, looked at thousands of innocently killed, displaced, because they are "protected" from neo-Nazis that nobody saw except the Russians of course, because they are "see" everything and everywhere. Then I ask you - are you happy, are you saved now, you wanted this, right?
So if you dont know anything about this or that country, or you dont believe the news, history, government, and especially if you're not a politician or a resident of those countries - shut your mouth and dont lie here. Just play a game.
P.S.: I'm Ukrainian and i know what i say because i live there. And if you dont believe me - come to Ukraine or Georgia and look with your own eyes.

[Imperator]

Anyone who surveys the graduates going into these media propoganda mills in USA and Canada can tell their minds have been twisted and warped by years of re"education". Considering I went to a very good school in the USA and saw these nutties first hand, I think I know. Thankfully I was able to resist the mind control and see through the BS.

[Imperator]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

@Imperator it's pretty scary. When I was growing up people my age still had their own minds. It's all group think and doublespeak these days.

It's been bad for decades, but the media has gone totally insane since Trump got the nomination. Everything is "Trump is evil" and NO criticism of Hillary whatsoever. It's obscene. They are afraid of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Drudge Report, Breitbart, etc... and have taken off their liberal gloves and don't even remotely try to hide their bias anymore. The question is whether people can see through it, it's basically modern university reeducation on a mass scale.

[Imperator]

Most people until they are 25 have never held a real job. They have no conception of how the world really works. So it is SO easy to warp and twist their minds into thinking that they are powerless, or victims, or that everyone who complains has a legitimate grievance, or whatever. Because they don't know personal responsibility, they never had to exercise it. All they had to do was sit as a desk, be lectured all day by propoganda, and then regurgitate it on an exam. Basically none of what they review is primary source material, it is all filtered by "experts". Anything that requires independent thought like mathematics is usually shunned by these types. Since most of the professors these days also have never held a real job, it creates a self perpetuating culture of lunacy. And of course, there are higher oligarchs that are pushing taking advantage of this system, and encouraging people to live at home with their parents until they are 30 and keep taking these kinds of classes.

[NestorUA]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

I've seen enough footage thanks. Nah I won't shut my mouth. Could care less if you're from Ukraine. Which part? Kiev? It's not Russians shelling schools and killing over 3000 innocent civilians including women and children (your own civilians) [Warcrimes] using Svboda and Right Sector goons, artillery, airstrikes, Armoured vehicles, tanks, guns.

BBC seemed to be the only MSM that actually went in to tell any truths. Unlike my or the US media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

What about those celebrations for/of Stepan Bandera? Anything to say about that?

Of corse i say!
Do you know who is it? Do you know what he did for my country? I think no. I can say many about him but you dont believe. You cant understand, you must only feel how it is - your nation killed and evicted from many years, just they want. And he fight with them and wanted, that this nation would be free - its little guide about him. Its first. I dont tell about Svoboda and Right Sector. Their ratings are so low that they simply no one believes, and they aren't neo-Nazi, they are nationalistic and patriotic, remember it. Its second. This video i saw and i think each company is covering events, I think doing it the way they want to see. And i remeber you said that you do not believe the media, so I'm not going to believe all sorts of nonsense. I was on Maidan and not just me - my friends and familiar were also there. Its third. Why Kiev - its russian translate from english, must be Kyiv - from ukrainian. Its fourth. does not matter where I am because now the whole country is suffering from "aid from the east" - it is really hard time for my country and me and i don't know what can happen next day. and last fifth - don't write nothing about my country or another, where are conflict and intervention, if you don't know or don't live there. Its most importantly, why - not to lie)

[Nike-Ajax]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

I'm Canadian and I am tired of my media lying. Is the point. I don't believe anything the USA or my own Government says, nothing NATO says and nothing the Russians say either. I come to my conclusions after seeing all sides of stories. It's pretty clear the US funded and organized a coup in Ukraine with extremist right wing groups, Svboda and the Right Sector, etc. Who burned people alive in Odessa, helped their brothers in arms in the military (many of which who switched and joined the Eastern Rebels in the end) shell schools, drop bombs on towns, etc. Western Ukraine has marches celebrating Stepan Bandera for gods sake. If there are any Russian military in ukraine they are there to protect civilians, as they were in Georgia as they are anywhere they go. USA is the expansionist entity, not Russia.

I've got no problem with you either. I only have a problem with people taking what those tools at the White House and in my Parliament and our collective western MSM try to pass off as truth, as facts.

Nuland all out admitted to what she did. And the USA has admitted it has tried to overthrow the democratically elected government in Syria using proxies. Admitted to it, after enough pressure.

Things only got better once Russia put the boot down on those Jihadi's trading oil with our "ally" Turkey. Much to the dismay of NATO, who wanted their little jihadi friends that they supplied to succeed in yet another USA engineered coup.

And let's not forget Libya. Libya and Syria, both of which ran NATO torture programs. I imagine that's why they went for Syria (among other things *cough* pipelines) After the invasion of Libya documents were found linking the USA to torture programs in Libya. I imagine they wanted to get into Syria and erase all such things from history there before it gets media attention.

As for that link from that alternative news site that was just a random one I found, there are more from better more trusted sources that ssay the same things. 1.8 million or more have died for what the US did in Afghanistan, they armed them against the Russians. Now we have the Taliban and Alqaeda and worse.

I lay all blame on the Imperialist USA.

I don't consider myself an intellectual and I don't mean to deride anyone including you nick. Just get a little ahead of myself sometimes (thus the unstructured paragraphs) and I am passionate about making the world a better place by forcing our Governments to tell the truth, and do what is right for a change.

OH... so now you are Canadian... ?

Then why the whining about me being a russophobe... ?

With all the respect I can mount:

Judging from your written statements, then You are about as Canadian as Putin is democratic. And you yet again sadly fail to mount any rational arguments or for that matter address what I wrote.

And so you simply wait and start from where you were before your shallow pseudo-arguments were deflated.

Your "side" seems to be the russian side. And it is thouroughly debunked. In fact its only russians who believe the russian lies.

That is NOT to say that Europe and USA under Obama have not lied - they have and still do.

But to claim as I have wrote before that Ukraine was A) the subject of a "coup" and b) that the non-existing "coup" were funded and orchestrated by USA is stupid.
I DO NOT call you stupid - but I am saying that the idea is.

Its Maskirovka - and an incompetent, silly and poorly executed one at that. One should think that Russia after decades of historical revisionism, very creative interpretations and outright lies, would be a little better at constructing such a fallacy.

Maybe they should hire a western Advertising agency?

The only ones they/you russians have put your foot down on is the democratic parts of the resistance to the mass-murdering dictator Assad. As in that Russian have bombed anyone BUT ISIS !

Regarding torture then USA have used it. And as long as they do it to militant moslems, then I personally have no problem with it. If you live for the sword you will fall by the sword.

But Russia should hardly point any fingers in that respect considering what they have done in the wars in Chechnya, Afghanistan etc. - Russia have never been shy about applying "moderate physical pressure" on its enemies. Or for that matter extreme physical pressure.

The really sad thing here is this:

Russia, EU, NATO and USA share the same enemies.

Fighting amongst ourselves is irrational and only makes our enemies stronger.

Russia and Europe share culture, history and long term goals. As opposed to europe/Russia vs. the middle-east/asia/africa.

Europe is not a threat against Russia. But China certainly is. As are radical moslems supported by Iran, which the russians are fighting in the caucasian republics...

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Commander Richard Aydius:

@Imperator it's pretty scary. When I was growing up people my age still had their own minds. It's all group think and doublespeak these days.

It's been bad for decades, but the media has gone totally insane since Trump got the nomination. Everything is "Trump is evil" and NO criticism of Hillary whatsoever. It's obscene. They are afraid of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Drudge Report, Breitbart, etc... and have taken off their liberal gloves and don't even remotely try to hide their bias anymore. The question is whether people can see through it, it's basically modern university reeducation on a mass scale.

I agree completely. And its not just USA: the european medias have dropped any pretence of being objective and unbiased.

I have never ever seen such a coherent and coordinated attempt to manipulate the voters to cast their votes for the "liberal" candidate.

But it might backfire against Hillary Clinton. The american population are not stupid and they are beginning to see that they are being manhandled and manipulated ...

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