Deathsmiles

Deathsmiles

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"Death smiles at everyone, lolis smile back."
Isn't that what the back of the xbox 360 box said? Weird to say but that line kept me from buying this game when it came out on the 360 because it made me think this game was more weird than it looked.

After looking at the trailer and screenshots I see that it's a pretty good looking bullet hell but I have to ask. Is there loli-based content in this game? Underage girls being sexualized and whatnot or was the back of the box just a poor choice of words?
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Rudy Mar 11, 2016 @ 7:34pm 
Loli doesn't mean it has to be sexualized in any way, it just means little girl, and the characters are little girls fighting monsters from hell.
So no, no such things as lolis being sexualized here, and the game is awesome and worth the money.
NeoStrayCat Mar 11, 2016 @ 7:36pm 
Well, besides that tagline which was on the US 360 version, the one on the steam release that Degica quoted mentions "Angels Smile in the face of Death". Which makes more sense.

Well, actually, not much really, the only thing that's kinda fanservice-y are just a character ending and the main cast all-together in the main menu, but they're more/less still images anyways. But yeah, it was a weird choice of words.
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100% lob juice Mar 12, 2016 @ 3:44am 
I can understand why they changed that tagline. Steam is a hive of militant progressives so they probably wanted to avoid controversy.

To be honest, "Angels smile in the face of death" sounds better anyway.
Slurp Dog CDXX Mar 12, 2016 @ 3:50am 
Yeah and my Ikaruga gamecube box says "OUR FROTHING DEMAND FOR THIS GAME INCREASES" but I didn't just assume it causes rabies.

Box quotes are dumb. It's like they say, don't judge a book by its cover. Do your own research online and stuff.
clippa Mar 12, 2016 @ 4:08am 
You will go on a register if you add this game to your steam library, but honestly, it's worth it. The game is really good, despite the unfortunate catering to, let's say, a certain type of geek.

The game does sexualise children but it's only really in the promotional material and a couple of slightly suggestive still images in the menu's and between stages, the game itself when you're playing is totally fine, it's all cartoony and cute rather than creepy.

Look past it and you'll find a great shmup.
sethsez Mar 12, 2016 @ 11:18pm 
Originally posted by EastNewSound:
Loli doesn't mean it has to be sexualized in any way, it just means little girl, and the characters are little girls fighting monsters from hell.
So no, no such things as lolis being sexualized here, and the game is awesome and worth the money.
Given the source of the term "loli" it's hard to blame someone for assuming sexualization. And the game isn't COMPLETELY innocent on that front, there's a few between-stage images that are you-know-it-when-you-see-it "PG cheesecake".

With that said, it's easy enough to ignore and a sad reality of the shmup genre in general these days. Aside from a few frames of moe trash there's nothing really objectionable here, and the game is worth it.
DeadScreenSky Mar 13, 2016 @ 12:53am 
Originally posted by EastNewSound:
Loli doesn't mean it has to be sexualized in any way, it just means little girl, and the characters are little girls fighting monsters from hell.
So no, no such things as lolis being sexualized here, and the game is awesome and worth the money.
It absolutely does imply some sort of sexuality. (Go read Lolita.) It was a terrible piece of marketing for this game, because in reality it's really tame. I know it turned off a lot of potential fans, and any lolicon creeps it attracted would have been interested because of the art regardless. Deathsmiles is not a game aimed at pedophiles.

There is a Japanese bathing scene during one of the endings that might get you some strange looks from any watching bystanders, but I don't believe it's actually intended to be titillating. Rosa (who is 17 but acts older IMO) and maybe a couple pieces of between gameplay art (like the title screen) are really the only sexually suggestive stuff in the game, but we're still talking PG-level stuff at worst.

There is some horror stuff that is a little bit more disturbing -- Casper's return ending, for example -- but it's pretty contained and not explicit.

(The sequel is a bit worse on this front, IMO.)

I think you'll enjoy the game, give it a shot!
Slurp Dog CDXX Mar 13, 2016 @ 3:01am 
Originally posted by DeadScreenSky:
Originally posted by EastNewSound:
Loli doesn't mean it has to be sexualized in any way, it just means little girl, and the characters are little girls fighting monsters from hell.
So no, no such things as lolis being sexualized here, and the game is awesome and worth the money.
It absolutely does imply some sort of sexuality. (Go read Lolita.) It was a terrible piece of marketing for this game, because in reality it's really tame. I know it turned off a lot of potential fans, and any lolicon creeps it attracted would have been interested because of the art regardless. Deathsmiles is not a game aimed at pedophiles.

There is a Japanese bathing scene during one of the endings that might get you some strange looks from any watching bystanders, but I don't believe it's actually intended to be titillating. Rosa (who is 17 but acts older IMO) and maybe a couple pieces of between gameplay art (like the title screen) are really the only sexually suggestive stuff in the game, but we're still talking PG-level stuff at worst.

There is some horror stuff that is a little bit more disturbing -- Casper's return ending, for example -- but it's pretty contained and not explicit.

(The sequel is a bit worse on this front, IMO.)

I think you'll enjoy the game, give it a shot!

Maybe you should go read Lolita again, because it sounds like the point went way over your head.

Also, it's pretty clear the box is referring to a style of clothing, "Gothic Lolita." Which implies victorian style, frilly dresses, doll-like qualities with a sort of macabre edge to it. Which is, you know, the entire theme of the game and all of the characters.

Also, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that liking highly stylized cartoon or game characters that are specifically designed TO BE SEXY does not in any way make you a pedophile, any more than enjoying shooters makes you a murderous lunatic. But this isn't really the place to get into THAT discussion.



Anyway, the bottom line is that yeah, OP definitely misconstrued what the game was about due to an unusual choice of words on the back of the box, which is why you should ignore the box and look up games to see if you're interested, because a lot of the time they are either stupid or even intentionally misleading.
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sethsez Mar 13, 2016 @ 4:10am 
Originally posted by F2FStyle:
Maybe you should go read Lolita again, because it sounds like the point went way over your head.
Lolita is clearly not promoting pedophilia, but the name has been TIED to pedophilia as a concept ever since.

Also, it's pretty clear the box is referring to a style of clothing, "Gothic Lolita."
Obviously. But that name didn't come out of nowhere. While it's probably diverged enough since to be its own thing at this point, the origin was still in cute seductive girls, just of a gothic nature this time. The whole scene is incredibly strange and sketchy to an outsider looking in.
Slurp Dog CDXX Mar 13, 2016 @ 4:16am 
Originally posted by sethsez:
Obviously. But that name didn't come out of nowhere. While it's probably diverged enough since to be its own thing at this point, the origin was still in cute seductive girls, just of a gothic nature this time. The whole scene is incredibly strange and sketchy to an outsider looking in.

Well yeah, that's why I'm saying to not just look at a game box and make your decision just off of that, because then you end up missing out on great games like this one. That's all. Not saying it was a perfect choice of words or anything.
DeadScreenSky Mar 13, 2016 @ 11:25pm 
Lolita is my favorite novel and has been for like 20 years, dude. It's a deep enough book that I'll freely admit a lot of it probably did go over my head, but I'm familiar enough with the term's basic usage...

Japan also has a bit of an unusual usage of it -- I'm not sure how much the wider culture gets the fact that Lolita wasn't actually a real temptress, though to be fair Americans etc. get that wrong all of the time too -- and Elegant Gothic Lolita fashion (as seen in this game) is even more divergent. In its real form of women (note the word choice!) choosing to dress up I'd argue it's pretty blatantly feminist, actually, but what's in this game is closer to a male fetishization of it. And that's definitely what the "lolis" slang used in the original marketing for this game was going for, complete with pictures of helpless little girls in bondage. It was a bad look for the game -- which again, is actually pretty tame and harmless! -- and it's a shame it ruined the reception for this great, accessible shmup.

This push in certain English geek circles to normalize "loli" as some harmless nonsexual term is gross, and that's all I'm really criticizing here. It's an inherently bad defense in cases of thread questions like this one, because you have to already be drinking the Kool-aid to buy into it. Better to be honest than to try to add an asterisk to a word that doesn't deserve it.
Not Root Mar 14, 2016 @ 12:47am 
Rosa is something of a sexual character in general, but she's the oldest, originally 17, and IIRC her age was adjusted to 19 in this version. In any case, she's intended to be more of a young adult at the time the game takes place, and actually looks the part.

Outside of her... One of the end-stage shots calls attention to Follett's cleavage I think, and one of her endings is a bath scene with all that entails... one of the stills on the main menu has an upskirt of Windia but it's specifically set up to not show anything.

That's all I can think of. The game really plays up the moe / adorable-cute angle and maybe it sometimes skirts some borders on accident in the process.
Not Root Mar 14, 2016 @ 1:27am 
Did a little digging because I was curious.

It's ONLY the US box art for the Aksys release. front[static.giantbomb.com] and back[static.giantbomb.com]

For reference, PAL front[www.mobygames.com] and back[www.mobygames.com] (apparently there was no "standard" edition in Europe ever?)

and Japan front[static.giantbomb.com] and back[static.giantbomb.com]
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Mr. Wonderful Mar 14, 2016 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by F2FStyle:
Also, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that liking highly stylized cartoon or game characters that are specifically designed TO BE SEXY does not in any way make you a pedophile, any more than enjoying shooters makes you a murderous lunatic. But this isn't really the place to get into THAT discussion.
What's this? SANITY on the Steam forums? I never thought I'd see the day.

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Originally posted by DeadScreenSky:
lolicon [...] pedophiles.
First person shooter players [...] murderous psychopaths.

Do you see why this is a dumb opinion yet?

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OP seriously believed there would be adult content in an Xbox 360 game. Why this thread didn't end after a few posts of people laughing at him I do not know.

Also, a sincere message at Degica or anyone else involved in development who might be listening: please don't self-censor any future titles because of all the clowns in this thread.
clippa Mar 14, 2016 @ 3:04am 
No game should be censored unless it's for legal reasons.

When it comes to sexualised cartoon children, there's always the argument that it's pacifying the types of people who have those sorts of urges and appetites, but I disagree with that, I think it's normalizing the behaviour and encouraging it.

Your average nonce isn't likely to be satiated by a couple of drawings and it's a slippery slope from there.

The characters in this game are children and designed to titillate, I don't think anyone can argue with that.
Cave were selling bottles of tea that they said were bottles of the characters pee at certain promotional events. If that's not aimed at perverts, I don't know what is :D

There's a certain type of otaku in Japan that lap this sort of stuff up and cave were aiming the characters in this game squarely at that market.
To a sheltered westerner, it's going to be a bit of a culture shock.

I don't think we should laugh at the OP. He said that he picked up the box in the shop, felt icky and put it back. I think that's a natural reaction. His question is valid and I hope he's gotten his answer.
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