Please help.

[elikos1]

thank you for helping me. For some reason F12 is not taking screenshots for me for this game. So,I have to describe what I need help with:

I have a key with this description.: "I've found this key on a frozen corpse inside the Upuaut base freezer room".

I take the key to the plant room and go to the far end of the room. I unlock the door with this key. I am automatically shifted into psychedelic mode. This mode continues on and on.I realise apparently I need to click on something to get out of psychedelic mode. That is where I need a hint. I have travelled all over the area. I cannot locate anything that will get me out of psychedelic mode.please help me

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

I believe I have the image of what the so called line (according to the game,not) is supposed to look like now:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858347889398465162/4B4DC33B90704A1FE52D01048C03A16AD2F8B734/

this obviously cannot be drawn onto that box because the puzzle doesn't allow for someone to draw a shape and then pick up the cursor to draw another...the initial one is erased,

You're on the right track, but - sorry to say - you're again blocking yourself by jumping to conclusions.

Try drawing the glyph. See what happens to the lines you draw.

[elikos1]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Originally posted by elikos1:

No offense but is it your nature to be so incredibly rude or do you have to work at it?

"Look, you keep having trouble with very simple puzzles and you don't seem to be enjoying yourself. So I'm simply asking whether this is really something you want to do".

Ah, yet more stalker trolling. Is this forum herewith or any other one your personal stomping ground?. By whose authority have you been given the green light to turn my game question threads into your ridiculous inane troll fodder?

I'm under no obligation to answer any of your personal questions and I am not going to.



"I'm sorry if you regard this as rude. It's not meant to be. Everyone has things they are bad at. I'm totally incapable of understanding music theory, for example, hence I don't try to write music. If puzzles are not your thing, then perhaps there are other things that you'd enjoy more, is what I was thinking".

And in your most benevolent narcissistic way you somwhow believe that I would even consider you as a gold standard? .You telling me that there are things I am "bad" at is equivalent to John Gacy jr.. saying: I didn't do it.



"What _I_ would regard as rude, however, is to accuse developers of "swindle and fraud" based on a misunderstanding of a puzzle - but perhaps that's only me. It's not really relevant here, though".

Yes,Developers commit fraud and swindle customers when they sell games that contain fatal glitches and then make little to no attempt to fix the issue

Originally posted by elikos1:

Perhaps because it says in the game draw a line.

Maybe you recall in geomerty class (or perhaps you just never caught on) that lines are defined as straight from point A to point B?

See - that's where I think you're making things way too complicated for yourself. Of course you have to draw a line, of course lines can't be drawn perfectly straight with a mouse, and of course the game accomodates for that. Again - why wouldn't it? Why are you going into this weird spiral of thoughts?

Originally posted by elikos1:

if I wanterd to consult a video walkthrough obviously I wouldn't be here . I was asking for hints not complete answers.

You're jumping to conclusions (again). I did not say to consult a walkthrough in order to find a solution. I suggested to use a playthrough to point out which room you're in, so that we know at least what you're talking about.

Originally posted by elikos1:

So not only are you obnoxiously rude but you also clearly stalk me from forum to forum making you what is known as a troll and not just an ordinary one but a stalker troll.....the worst kind

"It's not necessary to "stalk" you. Your threads are pretty ... unique. I simply played some of the same games, and noticed that you kept running into the same problems in several games."

Oh you see that's where you are really wrong. You have to make an intentional choice to stalk me the way you do. You utilise a careful intent,will and a method which I might add to this point has proven to bear no fruit. i'm still here so in essence you lose.


I am, btw, still wanting to help you with your issue. Apparently that got lost in your anger. But if you _can_ verify which room you mean by "compass", then I _can_ give you a hint. If I didn't want to help you, I would not even have replied here, it would have been much easier to just leave you in your misconceptions of the puzzle.

Your so called "help" is eqivalent to swallowing a heap of Castor beans which I have no intention of ever doing!

[elikos1]

Is there anyone that can help me with this glyph gettiing transferred somehow onto that box?

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

(snip)

Look, I think there's a really obvious contradiction here. You're running into the same problems with many games. Often you seem to be the only person who has that problem. You then regularly arrive at the conclusion that the game is "defective" and you wasted your money.

As long as you think that lots of other people are responsible for the problems you keep having repeatedly, this will not change.

I understand that you do not want to hear this. It's not a convenient thing to hear. But as much as it may feel justified to you to shoot the messenger - it might not be a bad idea to check whether there's not at least a grain of truth in the message. I mean: if you keep running into the same issues, with completely different people and products, then perhaps its worthwhile to at least consider that the one common factor is - you?

Anyway. In case you're curious where exactly I see the problem in your approach, feel free to send me a private message. I don't think it's helpful to continue this debate on a public level.

You'll also have to live with me giving you puzzle-related hints if you're getting stuck again, I'm afraid. ;) As much as you want to think I'm an evil troll, I'm actually trying to help.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

Is there anyone that can help me with this glyph gettiing transferred somehow onto that box?

Okay, I gave you a hint earlier, but it seems that one was too vague. But you said you don't want just to just be told a solution either. So let's do it this way: I'll post hints of increasing detail, but post them with spoiler tags, so you can decide how detailed you want the hint to be. Just move your mouse over the hint you want to reveal. Hint 1 is very vague, hint 6 is basically the solution. Deal? :)

1. Try to draw the glyph. Do you notice something peculiar with regard to the lines you draw?

2. Draw three random lines, stop. Watch what happens. Next, draw the three lines of the big glyph. Watch what happens. Do you notice a difference?

3. Just ignore the two small lines to the side for the time being, just try to draw the big center part of the glyph. Does it work? Do you notice something afterwards?

4. Draw the center glyph. If you do it correctly, the lines will stay for long enough to let you draw the smaller lines next. The decisive factor is: If a line is correct, it stays longer. Only incorrect lines reset the puzzle quickly.

5. If you're still having problems, look at the ends of the lines in the picture of the glyph in your journal. Each line has a sharp and a thick end. What could that mean?

6. When you draw a line, start at the position with the thick end, and finish the line at the position with the sharp, pointed end.

[elikos1]

Originally posted by Psyringe:

Originally posted by elikos1:

(snip)

"Look, I think there's a really obvious contradiction here. You're running into the same problems with many games. Often you seem to be the only person who has that problem. You then regularly arrive at the conclusion that the game is "defective" and you wasted your money".

Gathering what are obviously small snippets of threads I wrote amd clearly re-arranging them in order to come up with a conclusion that fits your delusional theory is clever. This however does not prove your statement . Where is the proof? At this point you fail. The only way you could possibly prove your point would be to scrutinise every post I have made from beginning to end.They would then have to be individually analysed according to the relevant topic,truthfullness and accuarcy of the post. So you've come to the table unprepared. You're statement is clearly biased hear say designed to exploit and alarm...That is the most common tool trolls utilise.





"As long as you think that lots of other people are responsible for the problems you keep having repeatedly, this will not change"

The only problems that exist for me specifically on this or other forums herewith are incessant trolls such as yourself who choose to vent your personal drama on my threads. It appears obvious that you are the one seeking to "change" in some fashion or another. This has nothing whatsoever to do with me.

"I understand that you do not want to hear this. It's not a convenient thing to hear. But as much as it may feel justified to you to shoot the messenger - it might not be a bad idea to check whether there's not at least a grain of truth in the message. I mean: if you keep running into the same issues, with completely different people and products, then perhaps its worthwhile to at least consider that the one common factor is - you?"

If I idid not wish to hear this then I obviously would not respond back.Frankly,it is funny in many ways....I mean think about it? Someone I do not know,have never seen before. will never see in my lifetime believes they know me well enough as a person to act in the role of Dr.Joyce Brothers?. I might as well be calling on the Pet Psychic to address my past life and the trauma that went on within. Do you have any realisation at all of the absurdity of some of the statements you have made?


Anyway. In case you're curious where exactly I see the problem in your approach, feel free to send me a private message. I don't think it's helpful to continue this debate on a public level.

You'll also have to live with me giving you puzzle-related hints if you're getting stuck again, I'm afraid. ;) As much as you want to think I'm an evil troll, I'm actually trying to help.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

Gathering what are obviously small snippets of threads I wrote amd clearly re-arranging them in order to come up with a conclusion that fits your delusional theory is clever. This however does not prove your statement . Where is the proof? At this point you fail.

As I wrote earlier: if you are interested in hearing more, feel free to write me a private message, and I'll be happy to explain my points in more detail.

I saw threads from you in the forums of several games I played, and I noticed two particular, consistent thought patterns in these threads with which, in my opinion, you are creating problems for yourself as well as for others. Are you genuinely interested in the details, even if you might disagree with them? Then contact me and let's discuss it. On the other hand, if you perceive them just as "attacks" that you need to "defend" against, then there's no use talking really, nothing constructive will come out of it.

Could I be wrong? Sure. I never claimed to be omniscient. I draw conclusions from the behavior that I observe, as we all do. And if this observed behavior is consistent, I may form an opinion about it. That opinion is not always correct, and I believe it is a fundamental principle of rational thought to consider _always_ that oneself might be in error.

[Kadmon]

Originally posted by elikos1:

this obviously cannot be drawn onto that box

Have you tried to draw it?

[elikos1]

This is MY drawing of the Z glyph .as you can see it is drawn the way it is supposed to . It will not work however. It does not hold. The reason why is because of what I said earlier in this post. My hand cannot draw a straight line. Now that should not be a dis-qualification!

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637426884/24F8B8599205B1A1D4B4E14108D66D2A5B72F820/


Now you begin to see how subjective drawing a line is in a computer game is

Is that fair or right? No!!!

Do you know how many thousands of times I could repeat drawing this exact line above and fail because it was not drawn exactly straight? I don't get a ruler,,,,,,,,,Get a piece of paper and try drawing three perfectly straght connecting line with nothing but your hands. Doesn't have to be perfect? oh yes it does. check the walkthrough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZKVFvaaudQ at 2:37:22


Maybe I'm doing something wrong with this...

Yeah I drew the dots the wrong way but the same mess is happening...So It has to go back to
the fact that the line isn't staright enough

[elikos1]

So tell me, what is wrong with this one?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637530849/6620B5A9ABC6322E374F9C042BDBA6BCFF9BC998/

[elikos1]

and this one?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637541097/2DB725E656080E70A92EFC6B71AAB19987C07171/

[elikos1]

and this one:



https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637550929/2E7516818351115D5D8B882BD2B5774EDABC4641/

[elikos1]

and this one:



https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637562329/37FC60E5D99C600CCA0861EAD17317BFD6D71685/

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

So tell me, what is wrong with this one?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637530849/6620B5A9ABC6322E374F9C042BDBA6BCFF9BC998/

It's the wrong glyph. It doesn't match the figure in your book. The first one that you drew connected the correct dots.

Where do you start drawing? You have to start where the thick end of the line is in the picture in your journal - i.e., at the dot in the upper left corner. Then draw your mouse (without releasing the button) to the one in the upper right corner, then again to the left and a bit down, and then to the dot in the lower right corner.

The lines don't have to be straight. I had _very_ jittery / curved lines when I drew the figure myself (because my mouse was not on an even surface), and it still worked. But perhaps try to not cross the lines.

Try to not jump to conclusions, work with the facts that you can observe. If you want to get a feeling for how curved a line can be, try to just draw the first line with various degrees of curvation, and see under which conditions it stays longer, and under which it resets.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by elikos1:

and this one?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637541097/2DB725E656080E70A92EFC6B71AAB19987C07171/

Originally posted by elikos1:

and this one:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637550929/2E7516818351115D5D8B882BD2B5774EDABC4641/

Originally posted by elikos1:

and this one:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/858348104637562329/37FC60E5D99C600CCA0861EAD17317BFD6D71685/

I'm not sure if you're pulling our legs now, but ... surely you must see the difference between these glyphs and the one in your journal?