FF4 Complete Collection/DS Missable list

[Warrior of Right]

So i have the current anniversary strategy guides for FF1 & 2 and the DS guide for FF3.
But for FF4 i only had the GBA guide (as they can be quite hard to find the current one).

i played the Complete collection on PSP before i decided to tackle DS/Steam version.
(i didn't care too much for 100% this run since i will 100% the Steam version but i still wanted to get as close to 100% as possible)
So here are most of the missables in both versions i found:
(minor spoilers)

-Tower of Zot, Tower of Babil (both visits) and Giant Babil close off once you finish them
-Sheila's sidequest before a certain point in the story or you miss kitchen knife
-Hidden Chests
-Don't defeat all 3 Calcas and Brenas before they combine
-Certain Dark armours and weapons need to be unequiped before lost
-Defeat General BEFORE the Soldiers

-Alert item stolen from security eyes used to start rare encounters with Flan Princess for extremely rare Pink Tail (which is exchanged for best armour in the game)
(you can re enter Tower of Babil with Edge again BEFORE you go to the sealed cave)
Went back up to the top where Security Eyes are random encounters.

Missable Bosses:
-General:
-Captain:
-Calca and Brina:
-Mystery Egg: was listed as missable but may not be.
-Dr. Lugae, Barnabas, B-Z:
(Can get them all in 1 playthrough cause bestiary is a seperate file with the PSP version, once you fight one form save to a different file and load the first file before the boss fight to get the other form)
Some of them self destructed but i was still credited for the kill.
Save and continue on as normal.

Also don't forget to look up an unequip list before party members leave the party if you want to keep your old equipment.
(Since most characters come back in PSP version you don't have to worry as much but Kain even though he returns twice will have different equipment each time so you will have to unequip him to keep his old stuff)

Augments are only in DS vesion, so don't have to worry about those missables in Complete Collection.


FF IV interlude only has 2 missable, 2 Twin Stars so that easy enough.
(also in Edges part of the story don't climb to the top of the stairs in tower of Babil before you get all the random encounters for that part or it will progress the story)

[Geralt]

The PSP FF4 is pretty much exactly the same as the original. It's The After Years part that has all the bonuses. It has tails, dungeons that unlock after each chapter and even huge parts that involve the decisions you make in the end. If you're after a perfect ending, even story wise, you'll want to play through once and then read a guide. Because some deaths are permanent and you can avoid them.

[Warrior of Right]

What do you mean by original? The Snes version?
Cause they added character switch and dungeons like cave of trials, 40 floor Lunar Ruins
(or did you mean the same missable wise?).

i don't care as much about after years cause that not in the DS/Steam version
(plus i don't really care much if that spoiled for me just the main game mainly but if people want to include missables for that too would be appreciated)

Why i'm playing this on PSP first cause it easier and so it will prepare me for DS version,
so i can focus on fighting instead of what's missable.

(i will be reading the strategy guide as i go i'm not playing the same version twice too much stuff to do and play in too little time also DS version is the only one with new game+ so if i play the same version twice will be that one)

[Warrior of Right]

So i got a de-equip list before people leave the party and you lose their equipment equiped.

Theres a pretty good list on FF wikia but they don't list the versions for some of the missables
so....

-Tower of Zot, Tower of Babil (both visits) and Giant Babil close off once you finish them
-Sheila's sidequest before a certain point in the story or you miss kitchen knife
-Hidden Chests
-Defeat Dr Lugae AFTER Barnabas
-Don't defeat all 3 Calcas and Brenas before they combine
-Certain Dark armours and weapons need to be unequiped before lost
-Defeat General BEFORE the Soldiers

-Alert item stolen from security eyes used to start extremely rare encounters with Flan Princess for Pink Tail

Augments are only in DS version right, so i don't have to worry about those missables?

What about Namingway being replaced by Tradingway is that DS only and are the 7 different locations to find him missable in anyway even if not in the PSP version?

That about it? The list miss anything?

FF IV interlude only has 1 missable Twin Stars so that easy enough.
i'll worry about after years some other time if i ever get around to it.
(but feel free to post missables for that too)

[Calandril]

I haven't played the GBA version, but I have played the original and DS. Your list seems correct, and complete. I can't think of anything else offhand that is missible in the main game, though I don't know about the added GBA dungeons and content.

For the Alerts (Sirens in the DS version)... if GBA is like the original game, you do need to steal a decent amount from the Security enemies, and can't get back to them later. The number depends on how many copies of the Pink Tail you plan on getting. (The DS version makes this much easier, as that item is buyable near the end of the game.. no stealing needed).

Augments are DS only, correct, though you may want to use a guide once you start, as a good number are missable if you don't know what you are doing.

I don't think Namingway has a quest in GBA, as the DS one is based around the fact that you can't change the characters names, and rewards you with some unique (and valuable) augments. I'm fairly sure none of it is missible (and unless you are lucky, it normally isn't completed until very late in the game).

[Geralt]

Namingway does not have a quest in the GBA version.

[Warrior of Right]

i started the PSP version and you both are correct as Namingway remains, just thought since there are movie scenes in the PSP version you might not be able to rename them.

Originally posted by Calandril:

For the Alerts (Sirens in the DS version)... if GBA is like the original game, you do need to steal a decent amount from the Security enemies, and can't get back to them later. The number depends on how many copies of the Pink Tail you plan on getting. (The DS version makes this much easier, as that item is buyable near the end of the game.. no stealing needed).

That's really good to know thanks, i'll just steal and get random drops for as long as they don't take too long.
Once stealing starts failing over and over or the random drops stop being consistant, i'll just move on to avoid wasted time and buzzkill since this is a Good FF game.
Like i said mainly want to 100% this version to prepare for Steam and if you can just buy them at the end then no point wasting time preparing for something that made easier in the newer version. (Specially when battles will be harder, thank god squenix fixed something)

Originally posted by Calandril:

Augments are DS only, correct, though you may want to use a guide once you start, as a good number are missable if you don't know what you are doing.

I don't think Namingway has a quest in GBA, as the DS one is based around the fact that you can't change the characters names, and rewards you with some unique (and valuable) augments. I'm fairly sure none of it is missible (and unless you are lucky, it normally isn't completed until very late in the game).

i have the Steam Achievement Missables Faq bookmarked and i will use my GBA guide again for my Steam playthrough to save time just in case.
Mainly the problem was knowing what applies to what version of the game but since the Steam Faq for the steam version that will be a no brainer when i start that version.
(Just too bad PSP doesn't have Steam Faqs)

Ok so what about stealing from Odin since there is no augments in the PSP version should i still steal from him?
Or what about Zeromus? Do i still steal from and get dark matter even though there is no new game+ on PSP?

Also what about the missable Bosses do they all appear in the older versions?
Any alternate ways of encountering them in the older version?

-General: (Already got him)
-Captain: (Got him)
-Calca and Brina: ?
-Dr. Lugae, Barnabas, B-Z: (Can get them all in 1 playthrough cause of no new game+ ?)
-Mystery Egg: ?
-Proto-Babil: ?

[Calandril]

Originally posted by Gater never played No ♥♥♥♥:

That's really good to know thanks, i'll just steal and get random drops for as long as they don't take too long.
Once stealing starts failing over and over or the random drops stop being consistant, i'll just move on to avoid wasted time and buzzkill since this is a Good FF game.
Like i said mainly want to 100% this version to prepare for Steam and if you can just buy them at the end then no point wasting time preparing for something that made easier in the newer version. (Specially when battles will be harder, thank god squenix fixed something)

If PSP works the same as the original and the PS version, I believe you can steal multiple times per battle. The enemy you get them from doesn't attack you until after you attack it, and it doesn't consider stealing an attack. Therefore, you can just sit in battle and have Edge steal over and over again, until you are happy with it. Easy, though somewhat tedious. If you only want one Pink Tail, 20-30 Alerts/Sirens is pretty good. It will take you more than that, but it is easy enough to use your 20 or so, then reset if you don't get anything.

Originally posted by Gater never played No ♥♥♥♥:

i have the Steam Achievement Missables Faq bookmarked and i will use my GBA guide again for my Steam playthrough to save time just in case.
Mainly the problem was knowing what applies to what version of the game but since the Steam Faq for the steam version that will be a no brainer when i start that version.
(Just too bad PSP doesn't have Steam Faqs)

Ok so what about stealing from Odin since there is no augments in the PSP version should i still steal from him?
Or what about Zeromus? Do i still steal from and get dark matter even though there is no new game+ on PSP?

Also what about the missable Bosses do they all appear in the older versions?
Any alternate ways of encountering them in the older version?

-General: (Already got him)
-Captain: ?
-Calca and Brina: ?
-Dr. Lugae, Barnabas, B-Z: (Can get them all in 1 playthrough cause of no new game+ ?)
-Mystery Egg: ?
-Proto-Babil: ?

Ok, for the rundown here... I'm doing this from memory, not a guide, so I'm not 100% sure, though I'm fairly confident in my answers.

Odin: As far as I know, he has nothing to steal in previous versions. The missable is DS only. It might be worth a steal attempt anyway, to see if he has anything, but it isn't a missable.

Zeromus: Dark Matter does exist in the other versions, though (at least in the original) it does nothing. It is the only place to get it, though. However, you won't be able to save with it, unless the PSP allows a post game save (the original game does not). It should be fairly easy to steal from him if you want it.

Bosses - most are present in the game. The exceptions are Proto-Babil and Geryon, both introduced with the DS version of the game, and of the two, only Proto-Babil is missable, if you didn't steal Dark Matter.

Does the PSP version have a Bestiary? The original game did not, so there was no real bonus for fighting or missing encounters. DS version and its descendants do have the Bestiary, making these fights more important.

General/Captain (both missable in original, DS, likely in PSP)

Calca/Brina/Calcabrina (combined form) (all three missable, I guess, though you will always get at least one of the three. You have to kill at least one of each Calca and Brina, then wait for an kill the combined form, to get credit for all three)

Dr. Lugae, Barnabas, B-Z (as far as I know you are correct, you can only get 2 of the three in any one playthrough. This is one of the reasons you need more than one playthrough in the DS version to get everything)

Mystery Egg (actually not missable in DS version, not sure of the others). I was missing this one myself, but randomly found it in the Eblan Cave area, which you can return to. In the DS/PC version, to get credit, you must kill one of these before it hatches into something, otherwise it will not count.

Anyway, hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.

[Warrior of Right]

First of all thanks for elaborating

Yes the PSP has a bestiary and it is a different save than your actual 20 save slots for game data.
So you fight and kill a monster it records it in the bestiary even if you don't actually save at a save point (just prob have to finish the battle for it to record in the system data save don't know haven't tested it out yet will when i get a bit farther)

Also you can access the Bestiary any time like FF1 Ann unlike what many faqs say.
(prob getting it confused with older versions plus it has the ps1 long load time for it rest of the menus load quick though)

i believe this version does let you save after you beat it so you can go do the EX dungeons i remember reading.
(but i haven't gotten nearly that far so i could be remembering it wrong or confusing it with another game i'll look it up again when i can get the game to work)

So is there a movie scene when a certain summon smashes your ship before Cecil gives up his Darknightmanship?
i'm playing on the digital version and it keeps black screen freezing there.
(prob crashing on the movie scene might have to open my sealed copy just to get past that part and switch back for faster loading times and less battery life wasted on UMD reading)

[Calandril]

Yes, there is a movie scene there, at least in DS version, so that may be causing your problems.

[Warrior of Right]

So i got to the Doctor killed him Barnabas self destructed still got the entry.
i then saved to a different file
(to ensure it got recorded to the system file as FF3 saves to system file AFTER you save),
loaded up the file before the boss fight killed Barnabas this time got Barnabas Z, self destructed still got the entry.

Also you can re enter Tower of Babil with Edge again BEFORE you go to the sealed cave.
Went back up to the top where Security Eyes are random encounters:

-Set battle speed to fastest
-Set cursor to memory
-Made everyone block and Edge steal
-Pressed select to enable auto battle

The game continues to steal hundreds of sirens for me while i take a break, watch FF7 Last order on my PS3 and eat.
You can even kill your teamates to make it go faster but you don't even have to be there to steal so who would complain?

Best experiance i had stealing in a FF game ever!

No wonder FF 4 DS/steam fixed it so you can buy them cause PSP made it way easier and FREE.
Was wondering why squenix bothered to fix it on DS but nothing else now i know why,
can buy them all at once but it aint free like PSP.

[Ceifer]

the psp version of the original game, is the same as the gba version. everything the gba version has the psp has also plus the after years and interlude (exclusive for psp version)

[Warrior of Right]

Wow no wonder they added auto battle, stealing the easy part getting the random drops isn't.
Took me 50 sirens just to get 1 Pink tail, i just stopped didn't even use my other 400 sirens.
(at least that leveled me up for the last boss wasn't going to fight 50 times then just reset)

So whatever don't get the best armour for other members can use the other ones i have some more, but they make the summonable creatures really rare random drops too?!?
So you get them when they not even usefull anymore, couldn't even get 1 not even goblin.
(yes i fought the summoner and killed like 50 of them and still didn't get one)

i just stopped didn't want the last thing i did in the game grinding for garbage random drops like 1/247 chance or something stupid and that if they drop anything at all.
(i didn't bother stealing from odin or zeromus stopped caring at that point)

Squenix had multiple chances to fix this like FF3 with the end game grinding but instead added voice acting and 15 FPS battles...... Brilliant!

is it just me or is Edge useless besides stealing?
(i know he got a strong attack but he so weak he the first one to die laying face down on the ground most the time)
Thank god for Yang in the PSP version, had holy damage claws that dealt major damage against all the holy weak creatures in the last Dungeon.
Just switched out Edge for Yang, kept everyone else you supposed to have in the party at that point.

PSP version is definetly the best one even if you mainly care about the graphics.
if i feel like playing it on Steam will just use a trainer to give myself those stupid rare random drops.