The hell is going on with rot in watcher?!(SPOILERS)

[rpgundark]

Pretty much the entire base game regions got infected, all of the rot is purple which is the same color as mother long legs enemy from downpour(that thing is strong), theres some sort of "prince" of rot, the rot is able to spread quickly and can quickly take over lizards, WHAT HAPPEND TO UNFORTUNATE DEVOLOPMENT?!, HOW DID A VOID WORM GET INFECTED?!.

[Jevmen]

There is nothing infected by rot, things just naturally evolve into it when unstable worlds begin to decay, wont take too long before everything just becomes an unified goop and gets stored as memories along side infinite other worlds.

"Infected" implies it came from the outside, but much like pebbles points out to hunter, this is just something we have within, which materializes when struggle festers. If it wasnt for the void taking hunter away, we would see hunter slowly decay and rot, then the world around him too, as it goes deeper into the negatives until its all just all goop.

Thats why its naturally impossible to get to the fringes of reality, the void would just uplift your karmic debt and reborn you anew before any of that happens. Watcher only got there because Spinningtop messed everything up with the rifts, so we can connect to our unstable selves if we dont use karma flowers.

Unfortunate evolution* is just in a far worse state than the others, the worse we get to actually see in game but doesnt have any precisely exclusive features. The grid we see in the background is suposedly what everything turns into, an homogenous sea where nothing is visually distinct but for the memories contained within the biomass.
Why do you think you can levitate in there? anti gravity is clearly not working when the machinery is broken, reality has just decayed so much that the laws of the world dont even work, is just a piece of debri in an endleass sea.

And the rot worm isnt a void worm that has been overtaken, void worms dont even have a real material form, its either convergent evolution that has created something resembling a void worm as the final lifeform, or a creature that naturally lives within the rot entropy.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

There is nothing infected by rot, things just naturally evolve into it when unstable worlds begin to decay, wont take too long before everything just becomes an unified goop and gets stored as memories along side infinite other worlds.

"Infected" implies it came from the outside, but much like pebbles points out to hunter, this is just something we have within, which materializes when struggle festers. If it wasnt for the void taking hunter away, we would see hunter slowly decay and rot, then the world around him too, as it goes deeper into the negatives until its all just all goop.

Thats why its naturally impossible to get to the fringes of reality, the void would just uplift your karmic debt and reborn you anew before any of that happens. Watcher only got there because Spinningtop messed everything up with the rifts, so we can connect to our unstable selves if we dont use karma flowers.

Unfortunate evolution* is just in a far worse state than the others, the worse we get to actually see in game but doesnt have any precisely exclusive features. The grid we see in the background is suposedly what everything turns into, an homogenous sea where nothing is visually distinct but for the memories contained within the biomass.
Why do you think you can levitate in there? anti gravity is clearly not working when the machinery is broken, reality has just decayed so much that the laws of the world dont even work, is just a piece of debri in an endleass sea.

And the rot worm isnt a void worm that has been overtaken, void worms dont even have a real material form, its either convergent evolution that has created something resembling a void worm as the final lifeform, or a creature that naturally lives within the rot entropy.

Kind of weird to just shrug off the void worm resembling thing as an irrelevant creature when it's in the corpse of what use to be an artificial god who was very into void research. I think maybe that version of Pebbles did something very against the laws of nature in his desparation to ascend. Who's to say that a void worm couldn't somehow be materialized into a physical form even though they do not normally have one. If rot comes from instability then a void worm taking on a physical form (which it's not suppose to have) may already be unstable so it just....rot worm immediately.

Even if Pebbles didn't do it himself it may have been attracted to something in his structure if rot stores memories. Perhaps this ex-void worm sympathizes with the plight Pebbles once had. It could have broken its rules itself and suffered for it or else it simply wishes it could return home.

[Jevmen]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Originally posted by Jevmen:

There is nothing infected by rot, things just naturally evolve into it when unstable worlds begin to decay, wont take too long before everything just becomes an unified goop and gets stored as memories along side infinite other worlds.

"Infected" implies it came from the outside, but much like pebbles points out to hunter, this is just something we have within, which materializes when struggle festers. If it wasnt for the void taking hunter away, we would see hunter slowly decay and rot, then the world around him too, as it goes deeper into the negatives until its all just all goop.

Thats why its naturally impossible to get to the fringes of reality, the void would just uplift your karmic debt and reborn you anew before any of that happens. Watcher only got there because Spinningtop messed everything up with the rifts, so we can connect to our unstable selves if we dont use karma flowers.

Unfortunate evolution* is just in a far worse state than the others, the worse we get to actually see in game but doesnt have any precisely exclusive features. The grid we see in the background is suposedly what everything turns into, an homogenous sea where nothing is visually distinct but for the memories contained within the biomass.
Why do you think you can levitate in there? anti gravity is clearly not working when the machinery is broken, reality has just decayed so much that the laws of the world dont even work, is just a piece of debri in an endleass sea.

And the rot worm isnt a void worm that has been overtaken, void worms dont even have a real material form, its either convergent evolution that has created something resembling a void worm as the final lifeform, or a creature that naturally lives within the rot entropy.

Kind of weird to just shrug off the void worm resembling thing as an irrelevant creature when it's in the corpse of what use to be an artificial god who was very into void research. I think maybe that version of Pebbles did something very against the laws of nature in his desparation to ascend. Who's to say that a void worm couldn't somehow be materialized into a physical form even though they do not normally have one. If rot comes from instability then a void worm taking on a physical form (which it's not suppose to have) may already be unstable so it just....rot worm immediately.

Even if Pebbles didn't do it himself it may have been attracted to something in his structure if rot stores memories. Perhaps this ex-void worm sympathizes with the plight Pebbles once had. It could have broken its rules itself and suffered for it or else it simply wishes it could return home.

Hey i didnt say anywhere it was irrelevant, just that is not literally "a void worm that got infected" idk where you got that from.
While it is irrelevant narratively for the main focus on the campaign, doesnt mean its not trying to hint at some bigger worldbuilding in the background.

Idk where you trying to get with your theories, feels like a complete misunderstanding of what void worms are, to begin with they live on a completely diferent layer of existence beyond the mortal coil, they are single selved beings and are absorved into their own business, most are literally oblivious to a slugcat swimming by them, let alone being able to percive or even act on anything back in the carnal world.

The only hint we have as to what the rot worm could be traces back to a hint at why leviathans and void worms look alike, that level of gigantism in evolution completely disconnects you from the cycle as you dont partake on it, devoid of struggle or meaningful interactions. Hence why the void worms and leviathans look alike, that is in a way the "ideal shape" of something beyond the cycle, even if leviathans still partake in the carnal world, they are aproaching that anatomy.
And with how rot has a theme about evolution, its likely to associate convergent evolution as the cause for rot worms to appear in the rot entropy, where there is nothing that divides or distinguishes, its just an endless grid with nothing but memories.

While at the fringes you see these memories materialize into lobe trees, the throne or other more purposeful beings that resemble animals or otherwise have some purpose, because there is still an ecosystem to survive on or at least a world to partake in, when you take all of that away and its all just an endless grid of goop, you end up with "that shape" as the only thing to evolve into.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Kind of weird to just shrug off the void worm resembling thing as an irrelevant creature when it's in the corpse of what use to be an artificial god who was very into void research. I think maybe that version of Pebbles did something very against the laws of nature in his desparation to ascend. Who's to say that a void worm couldn't somehow be materialized into a physical form even though they do not normally have one. If rot comes from instability then a void worm taking on a physical form (which it's not suppose to have) may already be unstable so it just....rot worm immediately.

Even if Pebbles didn't do it himself it may have been attracted to something in his structure if rot stores memories. Perhaps this ex-void worm sympathizes with the plight Pebbles once had. It could have broken its rules itself and suffered for it or else it simply wishes it could return home.

Hey i didnt say anywhere it was irrelevant, just that is not literally "a void worm that got infected" idk where you got that from.
While it is irrelevant narratively for the main focus on the campaign, doesnt mean its not trying to hint at some bigger worldbuilding in the background.

Idk where you trying to get with your theories, feels like a complete misunderstanding of what void worms are, to begin with they live on a completely diferent layer of existence beyond the mortal coil, they are single selved beings and are absorved into their own business, most are literally oblivious to a slugcat swimming by them, let alone being able to percive or even act on anything back in the carnal world.

The only hint we have as to what the rot worm could be traces back to a hint at why leviathans and void worms look alike, that level of gigantism in evolution completely disconnects you from the cycle as you dont partake on it, devoid of struggle or meaningful interactions. Hence why the void worms and leviathans look alike, that is in a way the "ideal shape" of something beyond the cycle, even if leviathans still partake in the carnal world, they are aproaching that anatomy.
And with how rot has a theme about evolution, its likely to associate convergent evolution as the cause for rot worms to appear in the rot entropy, where there is nothing that divides or distinguishes, its just an endless grid with nothing but memories.

While at the fringes you see these memories materialize into lobe trees, the throne or other more purposeful beings that resemble animals or otherwise have some purpose, because there is still an ecosystem to survive on or at least a world to partake in, when you take all of that away and its all just an endless grid of goop, you end up with "that shape" as the only thing to evolve into.

I think you might be overthinking how far I was thinking.

I know the void isn't physical but what if with enough energy you could build a physical shape and bind a not normally physical entity to it as a way of pulling it into the physical plain. This would take a ridiculous amount of power but we don't know what the rot worm is or how it came to be. That's the entire point. We don't know what it is, but we do know what it looks like and where we've seen it.

It's not impossible that the devs just put a huge native creature in the background to jumpscare players when it zips by the window it's just weird to discard it as the for sure answer when its location and appearance is weird. Why are creatures evolving in the goop if they're suppose to be merging with it? Doesn't that seem a little backwards as opposed to stuff that is there just being a different sort of echo of what it once was?
Why did the giant thing not ascend if being big reduces your links to the material plane by reducing the ways you can interact with it? Instead it's in a unstable place and is apparently unstable itself unless it is only colored like rot as a form of camoflaush.

Also, void worms help passerby in the void so it's weird to point out their obliviousness when one giving you a tow is a big part of the ascension stuff. The closest one notices you despite how tiny you are and it decides to help you find your way. They seem to interact with tiny things better then most things their size can.


I mean no disrespect or anything. You're clearly a lore buff with more behind the scenes knowledge then most people.

[Jevmen]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Originally posted by Jevmen:

Hey i didnt say anywhere it was irrelevant, just that is not literally "a void worm that got infected" idk where you got that from.
While it is irrelevant narratively for the main focus on the campaign, doesnt mean its not trying to hint at some bigger worldbuilding in the background.

Idk where you trying to get with your theories, feels like a complete misunderstanding of what void worms are, to begin with they live on a completely diferent layer of existence beyond the mortal coil, they are single selved beings and are absorved into their own business, most are literally oblivious to a slugcat swimming by them, let alone being able to percive or even act on anything back in the carnal world.

The only hint we have as to what the rot worm could be traces back to a hint at why leviathans and void worms look alike, that level of gigantism in evolution completely disconnects you from the cycle as you dont partake on it, devoid of struggle or meaningful interactions. Hence why the void worms and leviathans look alike, that is in a way the "ideal shape" of something beyond the cycle, even if leviathans still partake in the carnal world, they are aproaching that anatomy.
And with how rot has a theme about evolution, its likely to associate convergent evolution as the cause for rot worms to appear in the rot entropy, where there is nothing that divides or distinguishes, its just an endless grid with nothing but memories.

While at the fringes you see these memories materialize into lobe trees, the throne or other more purposeful beings that resemble animals or otherwise have some purpose, because there is still an ecosystem to survive on or at least a world to partake in, when you take all of that away and its all just an endless grid of goop, you end up with "that shape" as the only thing to evolve into.

I think you might be overthinking how far I was thinking.

I know the void isn't physical but what if with enough energy you could build a physical shape and bind a not normally physical entity to it as a way of pulling it into the physical plain. This would take a ridiculous amount of power but we don't know what the rot worm is or how it came to be. That's the entire point. We don't know what it is, but we do know what it looks like and where we've seen it.

It's not impossible that the devs just put a huge native creature in the background to jumpscare players when it zips by the window it's just weird to discard it as the for sure answer when its location and appearance is weird. Why are creatures evolving in the goop if they're suppose to be merging with it? Doesn't that seem a little backwards as opposed to stuff that is there just being a different sort of echo of what it once was?
Why did the giant thing not ascend if being big reduces your links to the material plane by reducing the ways you can interact with it? Instead it's in a unstable place and is apparently unstable itself unless it is only colored like rot as a form of camoflaush.

Also, void worms help passerby in the void so it's weird to point out their obliviousness when one giving you a tow is a big part of the ascension stuff. The closest one notices you despite how tiny you are and it decides to help you find your way. They seem to interact with tiny things better then most things their size can.


I mean no disrespect or anything. You're clearly a lore buff with more behind the scenes knowledge then most people.

The thing about void worms leviathans and the rot worm is like the most complex lore stuff rw has to offer, this disconnection from the cycle is not related to ascention and almost oposed to it, it IS a very complex matter and relates more to watcher's 4th ending and the voidworms rather than your conventional idea of ascention.

Also do void worms help passerbies? we only see one help us and the rest pay no mind to the player, there are theories relating to this one being the watcher but that still remains a theory. But for all we know void worms really are free to do whatever they want and whatever the reason for one of them to notice us and help us, it seems or at least is portrayed in an exceptional way that is definetly not the norm.

[rpgundark]

Are we going to talk about A VOID WORM IN PEBBLES?

[rpgundark]

Or A VOID WORM GETTING ROTTTED?

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

I think you might be overthinking how far I was thinking.

I know the void isn't physical but what if with enough energy you could build a physical shape and bind a not normally physical entity to it as a way of pulling it into the physical plain. This would take a ridiculous amount of power but we don't know what the rot worm is or how it came to be. That's the entire point. We don't know what it is, but we do know what it looks like and where we've seen it.

It's not impossible that the devs just put a huge native creature in the background to jumpscare players when it zips by the window it's just weird to discard it as the for sure answer when its location and appearance is weird. Why are creatures evolving in the goop if they're suppose to be merging with it? Doesn't that seem a little backwards as opposed to stuff that is there just being a different sort of echo of what it once was?
Why did the giant thing not ascend if being big reduces your links to the material plane by reducing the ways you can interact with it? Instead it's in a unstable place and is apparently unstable itself unless it is only colored like rot as a form of camoflaush.

Also, void worms help passerby in the void so it's weird to point out their obliviousness when one giving you a tow is a big part of the ascension stuff. The closest one notices you despite how tiny you are and it decides to help you find your way. They seem to interact with tiny things better then most things their size can.


I mean no disrespect or anything. You're clearly a lore buff with more behind the scenes knowledge then most people.

The thing about void worms leviathans and the rot worm is like the most complex lore stuff rw has to offer, this disconnection from the cycle is not related to ascention and almost oposed to it, it IS a very complex matter and relates more to watcher's 4th ending and the voidworms rather than your conventional idea of ascention.

Also do void worms help passerbies? we only see one help us and the rest pay no mind to the player, there are theories relating to this one being the watcher but that still remains a theory. But for all we know void worms really are free to do whatever they want and whatever the reason for one of them to notice us and help us, it seems or at least is portrayed in an exceptional way that is definetly not the norm.

Well if we're only going by vanilla we only have three slugcats to go off of but all three of them get a tow from a void worm. Hunter could have easily been an exception if they wanted to imply that Survivor and Monk's interaction was unusual but they didn't. Hunter, who is spiritually imbalanced and has a rough ascension still gets a helping hand from a void worm.
Yes they didn't all cluster right over but they didn't need to. Only one void worm needs to take interest in a particular soul. If they all came over they'd probably make things incredibly difficult for the passerby.