Possible to climb up to upper-left Subterranean region, or not?

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

I'm not talking about the big pit entrance from Farm Arrays,
which looks honestly easy to climb out of, with enough spears.

I'm talking about the pit after a few abandoned railway screens in upper-left,
one which is apparently not intended to climb up to,
if you enter Subterranean from ANY other region,
not without a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of spears anyway.

Which I've been trying to use, over the course of a few cycles,
which sucks cause Subterranean is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hellhole especially for hunter.
But I'm starting to think either my spear-platform placement is bad,
or it's technically impossible to get to the very top,
cause of that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ top overhang outcropping.

For reference, here's the super useful interactive map[henpemaz.github.io].
And here's a screencap from that, edited to highlight the wall I'm trying to climb up:
subterranean pit wall[i.imgur.com]

And here's a screencap of my best attempt so far, almost there...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2875024935
Yes I used mods to make slugcat purple, and easy to see.

So is this ♥♥♥♥ even possible to do?
Or do I have to suck it up and go alllllllllll the way around,
through Drainage System and Outskirts and Farm Arrays,
just for that last ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pearl and echo?

[Perseus]

I see four possibilities, but for some i don't know if they could ever work :
-Going all the way around;
-Getting a lizard to carry you up there and then get lucky enough for them to drop you;
-Using a bomb (and maybe a few more) from the other side of the pit and hoping it throws you far enough to reach the other side without killing you;
-Using a grapple worm.

And unless you have a grapple worm, i'm not sure it's possible to climb up any part of the other pit (the one near Farm Arrays) anyways. (Although maybe you could if you stockpiled spears in a shelter through several cycles? It would probably take less time to go all the way around, though.)

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Going all the way around is the exact ♥♥♥♥ I'm currently trying to avoid resorting to.
The lizard idea is too random and risky, and every lizard after me down there has their lair in the pit area anyway.
A bomb explosion from opposite side is more likely to work, but even more risky. Maybe it can be timed & combined with mushroom somehow?

Otherwise, grapple-worm is the most efficient and useful option. But, unless I cheat to 'summon' one, it might take even longer to get the nearest one I have stored in a shelter than to enter from farm arrays.

Also. the farm arrays pit is very easy to climb, if you look at the highlighted surface on the interactive map. There's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥ outcroppings to make it difficult, it's literally just a matter of gathering enough spears.

Are you confirming then that you don't think it's possible to jump up and embed a spear into that last outcropping?

[ivan866_z]

to me, an unmatched challenge remains going from filtration system to the drainage and taking the upper route (requires 4 spears) and arriving at the shelter in the left pipe of the three vertical pipes
has no practical meaning, but much more interesting than just climbing a random wall which can be climbed by taking another route, anyway

[Perseus]

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

Are you confirming then that you don't think it's possible to jump up and embed a spear into that last outcropping?

I'm not sure what you mean by "into the last outcropping" : Do you mean placing a spear below the last edge, or on the side of it?
Regardless, i do think it might be possible to embed a spear there¹, but i seriously doubt you'd be able to actually grab onto it.

¹If you mean the side of the last edge, i'd consider it possible maybe by using a slide throw (possibly with a mushroom) from the other side of the pit, and with some luck the spear might stick.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Originally posted by ivan866_z:

to me, an unmatched challenge remains going from filtration system to the drainage and taking the upper route (requires 4 spears) and arriving at the shelter in the left pipe of the three vertical pipes
has no practical meaning, but much more interesting than just climbing a random wall which can be climbed by taking another route, anyway

That shelter is simply another of many shelters that are placed close to a karma gate. I'm not sure what's special about it? I'd stop by there anyway if I end up going to Drainage instead.

Originally posted by Perseus:

¹If you mean the side of the last edge, i'd consider it possible maybe by using a slide throw (possibly with a mushroom) from the other side of the pit, and with some luck the spear might stick.

Yes, I meant that final ledge. There's no way to climb up onto the surface of upper-left area otherwise. Using mushrooms does make it easier to be precise, and there's A LOT of mushrooms available nearby. So i'll probably try using that for adding and reaching that final spear platform, from near where I'm at in OP screenshot. Not the bomb-across-bridge idea. Which isn't too bad, except it's a narrow crawl-space tunnel, probably limited range and aim.

[ivan866_z]

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

simply another of many shelters

i m talking about that room, dude
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2875396634

[Perseus]

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

Not the bomb-across-bridge idea. Which isn't too bad, except it's a narrow crawl-space tunnel, probably limited range and aim.

After looking at the interactive map, it seems like i had completely forgotten how the "other side" of the pit looks like, so i'm not sure if my idea for throwing a spear from the other side would even work from the tunnel.
However, according to the map, the tramway above that passage isn't actually tangible, so maybe you could fall out of the tunnel, plant a spear on the side of it, and use it to climb up above the tunnel. I'm not sure whether it's possible or not, but it certainly looks more feasible that the other side's ledge.
Afterwards, the "throw spear from other side" idea might work better, and the bomb idea would be way more realistic.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

I've officially given up,
I don't think it's possible to make enough height difference to jump
and embed that last spear for the final platform.
Grapple-worm can't work for same the reason.
The devs made sure nobody can get to the upper-left side of this pit room,
unless they're already starting from there.

So this makes Subterranean the only region in the entire game,
where you cannot access an entire section,
if you don't enter a karma gate from the 'correct' previous region. You are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Originally posted by ivan866_z:

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

simply another of many shelters

i m talking about that room, dude

Okay, now I see what you were talking about,
but it's just a jumping ladder with 3-4 spears.
I've done this twice now, it's a fun route through the drainage system.

Originally posted by Perseus:

However, according to the map, the tramway above that passage isn't actually tangible, so maybe you could fall out of the tunnel, plant a spear on the side of it, and use it to climb up above the tunnel. I'm not sure whether it's possible or not, but it certainly looks more feasible that the other side's ledge.

Getting a spear into the ledge as you fall out of the crawl space is possible,
but the upper ledge is still inaccessible.
Meaning any tricks to do an explosive leap to other side can't be done.

[ivan866_z]

Is this jump in Sky Islands possible? Are these two rooms even connected?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2880663520

[Poyau]

Originally posted by ivan866_z:

Is this jump in Sky Islands possible? Are these two rooms even connected?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2880663520

no, it's not possible
would be op if it was lol

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Originally posted by Poyau:

Originally posted by ivan866_z:

Is this jump in Sky Islands possible? Are these two rooms even connected?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2880663520

no, it's not possible
would be op if it was lol

Yeah that would be a hell of a huge shortcut leading down to Farm Arrays. I'm guessing this is from in-game? I don't see this layout on the interactive map site or the miraheze wiki. In-game map is helpful in a lot of ways, but I remember sometimes seeing the layout looking 'connected' like that, when not.

Just pay attention to the animated pipe lines on the map, that's the only way you can move / 'teleport' between rooms. If you know you are at the bottom of a room, and there is neither water nor floor bellow, then it is death to fall. You cannot ever climb, fall or even walk directly between rooms, without first entering a connecting room-pipe.