What does Downpour get you?

[Rats off to ya!]

I don't mean to be pedantic or anything, but going over the feature list for downpour I'm still not sure what is actually new. Looking at rainworld mods it seems like all of the features for downpour are currently already available as mods? Expedition mode, jolly co-op, more slugcats, etc.

I've heard there's new regions, but I can't really find anything to actually confirm what got added? I've always enjoyed this game and I'm more than happy to throw cash to the devs, but I'm really just curious what got added that wasn't just something you can get from RainDB.

[Tat011]

Originally posted by Rats off to ya!:

Looking at rainworld mods it seems like all of the features for downpour are currently already available as mods? Expedition mode, jolly co-op, more slugcats, etc.

That's because downpour is those mods polished up and made official, those mods are for 1.5 and don't work anymore.

Originally posted by Rats off to ya!:

I've heard there's new regions, but I can't really find anything to actually confirm what got added?

There's new regions, new creatures, challanges, actual campaigns with the different slugcats, more lore/collectibles and the stuff you already mentioned

[|Revenge|]

I'm pretty sure you have actual endings for those new slugcats now. Also, lore. Sweet sweet lore.

[Goblin]

More Slugcats was only available for the 1.1 update, and only had the slugcats nothing else. They were working on it for 1.5, with 90% of the stuff that's now the DLC, which would have been available for free had the developers not paid them off to turn it into DLC instead.
Co-op was previously available, yes.
A lot of the QOL features were previously available, yes (raindeer fix, making the game easier, etc.)

[|Revenge|]

Originally posted by Goblin:

More Slugcats was only available for the 1.1 update, and only had the slugcats nothing else. They were working on it for 1.5, with 90% of the stuff that's now the DLC, which would have been available for free had the developers not paid them off to turn it into DLC instead.
Co-op was previously available, yes.
A lot of the QOL features were previously available, yes (raindeer fix, making the game easier, etc.)

Did the old mods also get you endings and lore as well? i haven't played them. there is also the artwork and the ost.

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by Tat011:

That's because downpour is those mods polished up and made official, those mods are for 1.5 and don't work anymore.

All the mods should still work so long as you've set your RW version to 1.5 or earlier using the Steam beta/branch feature.

Jolly Co-op's author stated himself that this was the case for his mod, and it stands to reason it should hold true for everything else.

[Honkiewithaboomstick]

a 15 dollar paid mod from raindb that kind of ruins the lore and adds mary sue cats and all your mods deleted for months lol.

[|Revenge|]

Originally posted by Honkiewithaboomstick:

a 15 dollar paid mod from raindb that kind of ruins the lore and adds mary sue cats and all your mods deleted for months lol.

What do you mean ruins the lore? Also, i've never heard someone say "mary sue cats" before, it takes a special kind of mind to think about mary sue and cats together.

[Tat011]

Originally posted by Goblin:

which would have been available for free had the developers not paid them off to turn it into DLC instead

That's a weird way of saying that the devs gave the modders the oportunity to be compensated for their work.

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

All the mods should still work so long as you've set your RW version to 1.5 or earlier using the Steam beta/branch feature.

Yeah but you're using an outdated version that doesn't have many of downpour's features

[Goblin]

Originally posted by |Revenge|:

Originally posted by Goblin:

More Slugcats was only available for the 1.1 update, and only had the slugcats nothing else. They were working on it for 1.5, with 90% of the stuff that's now the DLC, which would have been available for free had the developers not paid them off to turn it into DLC instead.
Co-op was previously available, yes.
A lot of the QOL features were previously available, yes (raindeer fix, making the game easier, etc.)

Did the old mods also get you endings and lore as well? i haven't played them. there is also the artwork and the ost.

The 1.5 version of MSC was going to have the new endings yes, except the Hunter and Monk ones but those were supposed to be released 4 years ago in patch 1.7 which we never got due to publisher issues. We don't know if it would have had as much lore originally, since only the mod developers had it, though since for instance Rivulet's ability to breathe underwater got nerfed recently they might as well have had more lore and got stuff removed for being non-canon.
MSC 1.5 was going to add the new rooms, endings, slugcats, enemies, Safari Mode, and music. Everything else in this update is either from another mod, or new.

Originally posted by Tat011:

Originally posted by Goblin:

which would have been available for free had the developers not paid them off to turn it into DLC instead

That's a weird way of saying that the devs gave the modders the oportunity to be compensated for their work.

Modders have always been able to get compensated through free-as-in-beer methods. Donations, patreon or similar services, etc.
Your post is a weird way of saying Bethesda was right when they tried to add paid mods. But everyone (rightfully) hated it when they tried, which goes to show how popular your opinion is in the world at large.

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by Tat011:

Yeah but you're using an outdated version that doesn't have many of downpour's features

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what features the user cares about. Whether someone should or shouldn't purchase Downpour was not the point of my post, it was to highlight that if one wishes to use the RainDB / BlepIO mods of 1.1 or 1.5, they are still free to do so, and these versions + mods are not being "blocked" by Downpour.

Some are under the impression that the update to 1.9 forces users to wait for the mods they had to also be updated by their authors into Workshop form, and I'm hoping to help some people avoid the confusion.

[Tat011]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Modders have always been able to get compensated through free-as-in-beer methods. Donations, patreon or similar services, etc.

You can't in good faith argue that those methods are equivalent to proper, official revenue through sales.

Originally posted by Goblin:

Your post is a weird way of saying Bethesda was right when they tried to add paid mods. But everyone (rightfully) hated it when they tried, which goes to show how popular your opinion is in the world at large.

Lmao go to the discord and go mention the things you're saying here, you'll be laughed out, you're deluded if you think most people think this is the same thing as paid mods and that Downpour being made official is bad.
Also no this is completely different to paid mods and yes i don't care about paid mods nor do i see why people threw such a tantrum about it.
Let's be real here you're just salty you have to pay for Downpour cuz you're entitled

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

Originally posted by Tat011:

Yeah but you're using an outdated version that doesn't have many of downpour's features

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what features the user cares about.

Remix + quality of life + bug fixes makes makes 1.9 the superior version for 99% of people.

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

Whether someone should or shouldn't purchase Downpour was not the point of my post

ok? neither was it the point of mine?

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

it was to highlight that if one wishes to use the RainDB / BlepIO mods of 1.1 or 1.5, they are still free to do so, and these versions + mods are not being "blocked" by Downpour.

No one was arguing that you couldn't do that anymore in this thread.

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by Tat011:

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what features the user cares about.

Remix + quality of life + bug fixes makes makes 1.9 the superior version for 99% of people.

That may be true, but the DLC costs money. A user may not see the value gained in this "superior version" as worth the price, and if they wish to avoid purchasing it, may wonder whether their mods will still work. I'm fleshing out the information in regards to the versioning.

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

Whether someone should or shouldn't purchase Downpour was not the point of my post

ok? neither was it the point of mine?

Perhaps not, but someone might interpret it that way. I mentioned that you could play the non-workshop mods on older versions of RW, and you responded "but you're using an outdated version without better features." The implication being "you're missing out without Downpour and you should get Downpour."

No one was arguing that you couldn't do that anymore in this thread.

I wasn't saying anyone was making the argument, I was simply laying out information to help people avoid arriving at a misconception I myself had. More information is better for the consumer.

As an off-topic aside, I might be misinterpreting things but while there's nothing outright offensive or anything in your responses, there seems to be this undercurrent of defensiveness and antagonism.

[Tat011]

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

As an off-topic aside, I might be misinterpreting things but while there's nothing outright offensive or anything in your responses, there seems to be this undercurrent of defensiveness and antagonism.

Yeah and that's only due to certain someone talking about DP becoming official as the devs being "paid off" which at best is unhelpful to this discussion

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Tat011:

You can't in good faith argue that those methods are equivalent to proper, official revenue through sales.

I can, as a longtime proponent of open source software, do exactly that. Also, last I heard all but two mod developers were paid a flat sum and kicked out, AKA no revenue through sales, though I'm not 100% sure of the accuracy of that claim.

Originally posted by Tat011:

Lmao go to the discord and go mention the things you're saying here, you'll be laughed out, you're deluded if you think most people think this is the same thing as paid mods and that Downpour being made official is bad.
Also no this is completely different to paid mods and yes i don't care about paid mods nor do i see why people threw such a tantrum about it.
Let's be real here you're just salty you have to pay for Downpour cuz you're entitled

One, the discord is not representative of gamers as a whole (which the devs are marketing towards). Everyone on the discord would've bought Downpour even if the devs livestreamed themselves ritualistically sacrificing a toddler.
Two, no it is in no way different, in some ways worse since Bethesda actually did revenue share even if it was ♥♥♥♥, instead of a lump payment. Your opinion on it is also irrelevant, since almost everyone besides you hates it.
Three, unrelated to the topic at hand, Discord is thrash in general.

Originally posted by Tat011:

Yeah and that's only due to certain someone talking about DP becoming official as the devs being "paid off" which at best is unhelpful to this discussion

Nothing I have said is anything but an objective truth (except my opinion on Discord. And the ritualistic sacrifice thing just now, that's called hyperbole). You might also want to pull out the ol' Merriam Webster and look up the definition of paid off (note to make it easier for you, it's a conjugation of "pay off").

[aeyo(s)]

It's like an ? kind of thing. As someone who only now came across Rain World and has no plans of ever modding it, I'm glad for the DLC as it's added around 200 hours worth of content for me. Sucks if this was available for free, but I'm more than satisfied with the campaigns, it being official, and for the new soundtracks.

New user experience is that this is good. Ethically questionable? Shrewd business certainly. But, at least someone got paid for their work, and it was adapted for a much greater audience of players like me who would have been done with the game after 30 hours finishing the Hunter's campaign.

Hope you find the necro hilarious