How do you survive as Saint?

[Rotav]

As the title says really. Surviving as Saint is incredibly frustrating and difficult for me, to the point where it feels like I must be missing something:

1) Since you cannot eat meat OR throw spears, this makes the sources of food incredibly limited, since you can't eat bats or open up the red plants. Blue fruits are really sparse it seems, so how are you meant to survive consistently to gain enough karma to open gates?
2) You seem to freeze quickly from the snow, seemingly faster than the threat of the rain given to the other characters. Couple this with the fact that edible food sources are spaced out, and you've got yourself a real nightmare. Are there ways to survive in the world for longer, or is this really as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up as it looks?

[Wolfofdoom3]

Try not to stay in the blizzard too long, and use scav lanterns for warmth, you can store one in your stomach. (I have no idea why the game doesn't tell you this)

Some areas are also not affected by cold.

[Rotav]

Originally posted by Wolfofdoom3:

Try not to stay in the blizzard too long, and use scav lanterns for warmth, you can store one in your stomach. (I have no idea why the game doesn't tell you this)

Some areas are also not affected by cold.

Do the blizzards subside eventually? Or do they just get worse/stay bad? Also, how do I know what areas are safe from the cold and which aren't? Do staying in them increase body temperature again, or does it just stay the same?

[Lanceps]

Originally posted by Rotav:

Originally posted by Wolfofdoom3:

Try not to stay in the blizzard too long, and use scav lanterns for warmth, you can store one in your stomach. (I have no idea why the game doesn't tell you this)

Some areas are also not affected by cold.

Do the blizzards subside eventually? Or do they just get worse/stay bad? Also, how do I know what areas are safe from the cold and which aren't? Do staying in them increase body temperature again, or does it just stay the same?

yea they get worse and worse until you hibernate, outdoors are much colder than indoors but you will still lose warmth very slowly indoors without a source of heat. i just carried a lantern in my hand 24/7 and i didnt struggle much with the cold. Also noteworthy that scav lanterns give you heat when you are near them, so it includes the ones on poles scattered throughout the world. You can see your temp by holding or pressing the map, its the new dots under your food, plus the saint loses their color as they freeze

[CAT?]

You can hibernate without enough food, it just doesn't save (unless saint disables that)

[Tat011]

Not sure how you can possibly have food problems as saint (or any slugcat really)
The snow mechanic actually allows you to extend your cycle much longer than otherwise and in some places even indefinitely (you can tell by the lack of heat bar)
The cycle only gets colder over time and eventually you'll die in just a few seconds even while inside and with multiple lanterns.

[stealthXG]

Originally posted by Tat011:

Not sure how you can possibly have food problems as saint (or any slugcat really)
The snow mechanic actually allows you to extend your cycle much longer than otherwise and in some places even indefinitely (you can tell by the lack of heat bar)
The cycle only gets colder over time and eventually you'll die in just a few seconds even while inside and with multiple lanterns.

Because Saint can only eat certain things. Eating batflies and centipedes don't give food pips.

[Honkiewithaboomstick]

Not throwing spears or eating most things absolutely killed saint for me in the same way not having a stomach killed spearmaster. I'd honestly just wait for a mod to come out that allows him to kill things, same for spearmaster just wait for a stomach mod. Otherwise you're going to have a terrible time and it will be more annoying than fun trust me.

All in all the worst two campaigns. Which is sad because lore wise they're the coolest.

[Wolfofdoom3]

Originally posted by Honkiewithaboomstick:

Not throwing spears or eating most things absolutely killed saint for me in the same way not having a stomach killed spearmaster. I'd honestly just wait for a mod to come out that allows him to kill things, same for spearmaster just wait for a stomach mod. Otherwise you're going to have a terrible time and it will be more annoying than fun trust me.

All in all the worst two campaigns. Which is sad because lore wise they're the coolest.

Maybe try some of the cheats out, didn't check out what they do. But they may help you.

[stealthXG]

Originally posted by Honkiewithaboomstick:

Not throwing spears or eating most things absolutely killed saint for me in the same way not having a stomach killed spearmaster. I'd honestly just wait for a mod to come out that allows him to kill things, same for spearmaster just wait for a stomach mod. Otherwise you're going to have a terrible time and it will be more annoying than fun trust me.

All in all the worst two campaigns. Which is sad because lore wise they're the coolest.

Huh? Spearmaster was pretty easy in maintaining food pips. Just stab creatures, as long as it's alive, you'll gain pips.

[Tat011]

Originally posted by stealthXG:

Because Saint can only eat certain things. Eating batflies and centipedes don't give food pips.

And?

[Rotav]

Originally posted by Lanceps:

Originally posted by Rotav:

Do the blizzards subside eventually? Or do they just get worse/stay bad? Also, how do I know what areas are safe from the cold and which aren't? Do staying in them increase body temperature again, or does it just stay the same?

yea they get worse and worse until you hibernate, outdoors are much colder than indoors but you will still lose warmth very slowly indoors without a source of heat. i just carried a lantern in my hand 24/7 and i didnt struggle much with the cold. Also noteworthy that scav lanterns give you heat when you are near them, so it includes the ones on poles scattered throughout the world. You can see your temp by holding or pressing the map, its the new dots under your food, plus the saint loses their color as they freeze

Yeah I've been carrying a lantern now and it seems much easier, it basically seems essential for surviving the cold, since you can warm yourself up with it when somewhere indoors. I also feel like the earlier stages are still very difficult, with food being really scarce, but once you get closer to the east it seems much easier since there is more food options that aren't meat. Making progress now at least which is nice, whereas previously I was basically trapped in both Sky Islands and Chimney Canopy, hitting a brick wall because of the high karma gate requirements.

[RCMidas]

A lantern mouse can also help keep you warm for a while, if you're lacking in an actual lantern and/or need something to feed a lizard.

[Honkiewithaboomstick]

Originally posted by Wolfofdoom3:

Originally posted by Honkiewithaboomstick:

Not throwing spears or eating most things absolutely killed saint for me in the same way not having a stomach killed spearmaster. I'd honestly just wait for a mod to come out that allows him to kill things, same for spearmaster just wait for a stomach mod. Otherwise you're going to have a terrible time and it will be more annoying than fun trust me.

All in all the worst two campaigns. Which is sad because lore wise they're the coolest.

Maybe try some of the cheats out, didn't check out what they do. But they may help you.

None of the Remix features or MSC accesibility options pertain to the issues Im talking about I've already checked. Gonna have to wait for mods to fix them lmao

[Rotav]

I've noticed that there isn't any passage button also. Does that mean that using passages is arbitrarily disabled for Saint too? If so what is the reasoning for this?

[Big Mistake]

the more lanterns the better, when you have one in your stomach + one in hand you can afford to wait out a nasty situation that you'd fight through as another slugcat. lantern in stomach + two in hands makes you effectively immune to the cold unless you're swimming or loitering in the middle of a blizzard

any hands that aren't carrying lanterns should be carrying food over a cycle. food may be scarce but you don't need many pips, carrying two pips of food over means much less mad dashing around to get enough for hibernation

saint benefits from a deep understanding of the game, from movement tech to understanding how creatures detect and react to you. some wiki diving can help a lot of any particular enemy is giving you trouble.

and no, you unfortunately can't use passages.

saint's campaign starts out brutal and becomes one of the most fun by the end. the discord is a good place to seek help for specific situations as it's not hard to get stuck during his campaign. worst case scenario, if you're just not having a good time there are youtube playthroughs by now for the lore.