why i can't play platformers

[rapchee]

i can't make the first leap
i got the game because it's pretty and i can't even get through the tutorial
same as dustforce

[Jevmen]

for leaping, stand still (on four legs) and hold jump, when the slugcat raises the tail you can jump farther when you relase the jump button. switch between biped and quadruped movement with up and down

[C1ipper]

This game (much like many other platformers from my experience) has a lot of trial and error to gameplay, figuring out what does and doesn't work; the learning curve is further steepened by the survival oriented gameplay aspects as well.
Once you have gotten down the basics, you'll slowly pick up on more complicated parts of the game, again, by experimenting.
Try not to pressure yourself to make a lot of progress at first, but try to fiddle with the controls, watch whatever tutorial elements pop up carefully, and most importantly, have patience.
I hope that this was helpful.

[schnappkatze]

I am a veteran platformer player and also had to look up on how to do the longjump, don't worry about it. Jevmen explained how to do it.
Don't feel too bad about this, it takes a certain time until the game "clicks".

[rapchee]

the initial prompt wasn't quite clear (i've waited for a few seconds, a more detailed text appeared) and tbf i was primed to get upset, i was holding "down"instead of tapping it

[Franz]

The controls are very deliberate, holding is not the same as pushing once, and it goes for all inputs. For example if you push the grab key you pick up an item, if you hold it you can eat it, if you double push it you swap hands... It takes a while but it's intuitive-ish once you get the hang of it.

[Halfshell]

Originally posted by rapchee:

i can't make the first leap
i got the game because it's pretty and i can't even get through the tutorial
same as dustforce

Sounds like you are diving into some of the most difficult Platformers. I'd recommend starting in shallower waters. Like with Mario, Ori, Shantae or Freedom Planet are some of the best entry level Platformers outthere. It would be like starting with Dark Souls as your first action game and wondering why its challenging.

[Franz]

Methinks if they are interested in the game enough to ask for guidance instead of refunding it's as good a starting point as any. We're talking videogames, not surgery, there's no harm in diving into the deep end of the pool.
Besides, neither RW nor DS are "hard". They are punishing only insofar as setting you back a few minutes when you make mistakes, but you have infinite lives and many different ways to deal with obstacles, from learning how to master combat in a series of complex time sensitive inputs to walk away and find a more tranquil route.

[Halfshell]

Originally posted by Franz:

Methinks if they are interested in the game enough to ask for guidance instead of refunding it's as good a starting point as any. We're talking videogames, not surgery, there's no harm in diving into the deep end of the pool.
Besides, neither RW nor DS are "hard". They are punishing only insofar as setting you back a few minutes when you make mistakes, but you have infinite lives and many different ways to deal with obstacles, from learning how to master combat in a series of complex time sensitive inputs to walk away and find a more tranquil route.

I feel like many people forget what the control barrier feels like. If it hasn't clicked yet how to control jump height while maneuvering its not a question of difficulty or how punishing. You just need to play games enough to get over the barrier. Why not play something thats designed to be enjoyable to people who haven't crossed the barrier and come back after?

Its the same with 3d games, where moving camera, pressing actions and actual movement at the same time take quite the while to click. Why would one then play Dark Souls if they aren't at the expected entry point?

This game will still be here waiting.

[45]

Originally posted by C1ipper:

This game (much like many other platformers from my experience) has a lot of trial and error to gameplay

This is not a normal aspect of platformers and rain world is only a platformer superficially. I dont know what games youve been playing but no.

[Franz]

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Why not play something thats designed to be enjoyable to people who haven't crossed the barrier and come back after?

Because they seem to want to play rain world. They can decide for themselves when the frustration overcomes the interest, can't they? Or is this some kind of advanced gatekeeping I don't know about?

[Halfshell]

Edit: Really its a common theme with people new to gaming, they end up thinking they're just bad and can't game. Get discouraged. Don't ever want to try again. Thats why they should be aware that even the best gamers had to start where they are now. Its totally normal. And most of us got to start with shallower games, designed to be entry level.

Originally posted by Franz:

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Why not play something thats designed to be enjoyable to people who haven't crossed the barrier and come back after?

Because they seem to want to play rain world. They can decide for themselves when the frustration overcomes the interest, can't they? Or is this some kind of advanced gatekeeping I don't know about?

Yes they can. I am merely answering the question "why can't I play Platformers". Its because the rest of us went through the exact same thing you are right now. That control barrier is tough. 3+ simultaneous inputs is tough to rewire your brain for. Some of us were lucky and we got to do this when we were very young, when its much easier.

Yes if they stick with it they can learn even playing from Rainworld if they put the time into it. My advice is to try one of the shallower games I listed though. Upto them ofc.

Also while on the topic of shallower Platformers, Nuclear Blaze is quite nice!

[Franz]

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Edit: Really its a common theme with people new to gaming, they end up thinking they're just bad and can't game. Get discouraged. Don't ever want to try again

You're being overbearing. Everyone already said Rain World has a steep learning curve and nobody mocked OP and told them to be ashamed because they're bad at games. Give them some credit and let them do whatever they want.

Thats why they should be aware that even the best gamers had to start where they are now. And most of us got to start with shallower games, designed to be entry level.

They are aware, they've already been told and by post #4 they made an improvement - and by the way they're not commenting anymore, so they're probably playing the hard game meant for Videogame Ph.D.s.

Games aren't hard, they are an activity for your spare time. They can be deep or shallow, inspiring, challenging, but you're always free to go away. Training for an important match, working a job, earning a title, those are hard. Games can be frustrating, then you put them down and maybe come back later, maybe leave them for good. Who cares, it's part of their experience, don't try to control other people like a virtual helicopter parent. Let them play the game they got because "it's pretty".

[Halfshell]

Edit: Why don't we pretend you are right here. Had you said nothing, OP would have likely paid no mind to that short little post and the thread continues as normal. By dragging this into an argument you now have only went against your own goals as now the thread is derailed. I just really struggle to understand your intentions here.

Maybe you are out of touch with the common non-gamer, this is pretty common. They try games, they don't like doing something they're bad at, they stop trying games.

I'm only being overbearing because you are needlessly arguing about it. All I said to OP was they were playing some of the hardest Platformers. And yes, Dustforce and Rainworld go into the hardest category. Some of the jumps in RW are tough for experts. Dustforce is in a subgenre that is specifically difficult, its only not the most difficult within that genre.

I don't even really understand why you want to argue about this. Again, if this were Dark Souls noone would find it odd to advise to try easier games 1st. How many people started with the hardest games, grinded their face against a literal wall just to prove they could do it? Everyone has to start somewhere. I started somewhere too.

[Franz]

You've entered the discussion in post #6 to advise OP, who already made progress according to post #4, to change games. You are the one needlessly dragging things by refusing to stop pretending being this overbearing is helpful in any way. Let's add elitist and assuming when you call me "out of touch with common non-gamers".
Do "common non-gamers" need to attend a special school to graduate from Mario to Rain World? Are you the principal of that school? What do you stand to gain by telling someone who wants to play a "pretty" game to go play something else on training wheels before they earn Rain World?

Edit: no really, you are so smug you call "a common non-gamer" someone who has almos a thousand games on account, and played 60hrs over the last two weeks. That's almost a full time job, what are you talking about?
My intention is to school you into not assuming you know better than other people, and failing that is exposing you for the arrogant fool you are so others who stumble upon this silly exchange will know not to be like you.

Out of touch with the common non gamer, I was there when my neighbor bought a NES in 1989 and tried to make Mario jump by hurling the controller upwards. Sit down son.

[Halfshell]

Edit Why don't we just take a step back, both of us just want OP to enjoy the game. We merely have different viewpoints.

You're the only one here being hostile. And yes you seem very out of touch, you didn't seem to realize theres a control barrier. Then you drag this into an argument and still drag it into an argument. Yes I believe playing literally any other Platformer would make Rainworld a more enjoyable experience. Failing jumps is going to get old fast.

Yes I believe Rainworld has to be the literal worst game to start playing Platformers with, as much as I love it I cannot understand how you do not see that.

Also OP would have known themselves whether it was clicking for them. They also were not aware these were tough Platformers, they seemed to not know any better games to try had they not been mentioned. I never forced them or disparaged them into trying other games. At no point have I been negative, infact.

Actually I believe in general you have spent too much time on the internet. Why so much hostility? You realize none of this has the potential to help the OP?

Originally posted by Franz:

Edit: no really, you are so smug you call "a common non-gamer" someone who has almos a thousand games on account, and played 60hrs over the last two weeks. That's almost a full time job, what are you talking about?

Snoop much? I never look at others gaming records to form opinions of them.