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Because i was TOLD too! This is the direction i was directed to go! i died over a dozen heccen times just GETTING here and the path was painful, arduous, and slow! i'd like for all that effort to be WORTH something here!
In every other game you've ever played, every time you're told to go somewhere, something actually HAPPENS when you get there!
Honestly i didn't interpret it that way. I thought that either A) i made a wrong turn and it was now directing me to a different objective, or more likely B) this was a vital step in figuring out how to reunite with my family. The dreams and the icon given by the guide all made it seem like this was some ancient wise entity like a librarian or something, who would be able to give me guidance and direction that would ultimately lead to me reuniting with my family.
And honestly i thought the overseer was some kind of Worm or some other form of wildlife, just one able to manipulate light to make holograms. Worms don't generally break down in the same way as machinery.
I wasn't attempting to destroy it, i was attempting to INTERACT with it. Trust me when i say that eating the neuron was the LAST POSSIBLE OPTION i had, i exhausted every other option on the table when it came to trying to interact with this weird blue thing i had been directed towards, and eating the neurons was the only thing that got me anything. and even then it ended up being a waste in the end.
There was no reason for me to think "i will return later", there was no reason for that to ever cross my mind. i was directed HERE, i need to be HERE. whatever happens next, should happen HERE. where i was directed too, the location all of this has been building up too. When was the last time you were told "meet me at the mall" and then the person you were supposed to meet was waiting for you at the pizza joint across the street? or their house on the other side of town? It's just your natural assumption to get to the mall, where you were told to meet your friend, find them not there, and then immediately think "oh they must be in this other location that is in no way the mall at all, and this is a logical first thought for me to have" rather then idk, looking around the mall first?
Following the flow of action, what causes things to happen and what doesn't cause things to happen, is a perfectly valid and understandable method of problem solving, and with no direction otherwise, it's perfectly understandable that one would eat the neurons when trying to solve the problem of being led to a dead end with something that won't talk to us, and it's perfectly reasonable to not have your first thought be "oh well i guess i'll just leave then" after all the pain and strife you got through to be specifically directed to this one location. And i'm tired of people pretending like it's not, or shaming those who thought that way.
Honestly i didn't even notice the glow until after i had finished the last neuron in the shelter the next morning, returned to moon to see if that had done anything, and then left very disappointed and wondering what exactly my goal was. It was only while i was leaving that i even noticed the glow.
Exactly, if you behave like a feral animal you will end up eating the small thing, exactly like all other feral animals in the game eating you.
Slugcat is as feral as you play them to be. You can eat all that moves, you can choose to only eat fruit, you can manipulate simple tools and you can use those tools to affect the environment, you can tame other creatures and
if you can hold back the feeding/curiosity INSTINCT when faced with a creature that is CLEARLY manifesting fear
you can be rewarded with the gift of communication.
Otherwise you behave like an animal, eat the small thing, hide from the big thing, don't talk. You can still go on with the game but you're on your own, like a feral beast, guided by that point forward only by your instinct.
Masterpiece.
You were guided there by something that hopes you have the glimpse of intellect that's needed to help Moon. The overseer isn't guiding you to your family, it guides you to food and warns you about danger to keep you alive until you meet Moon, it doesn't guide you to your family.
Why should i leave?
Lets rewind to before we ever met moon shall we?
The guide is directing us "go this way, over the ocean"
The path here is long, it's slow, it's painful. we die multiple times along the way, and there are only two checkpoints along the entire path, forcing us to re-do the entire trek from scratch with ever failure, multiple of which we had no way of knowing because we came out of a pipe into a creature's mouth.
Finally, FINALLY we get to the other side. we rest in the first shelter we can see, then continue following the guide. We get to our destination, we see this blue thing standing there. it doesn't seem to respond to us or acknowledge our presence.
We can clearly see that there is no other path to take to get out of here except for the long, painful path we took getting here in the first place.
Why should our first thought be "I guess i'll leave?"
WITHOUT saying anything along the lines of "We don't want to destroy it!" Because remember, this is our fist time meeting Moon! We don't even know that destroying it is on the table! We have NO IDEA who or what this thing is, we don't even know it's name.
Why is our first instinct upon getting here, "Go away"? Explain the logic in that to me.
It's. Still. Nothing. It's still, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. NOTHING! give me SOMETHING!
And i would know this... how??????
You leave because nothing happens. The creature makes noises that you can't comprehend, sits there, only reacting in obvious distress when you grab the floaty thingies. You can't stay there forever, you don't seem to accomplish anything by waiting.
Why should you stay? Because how other games work? Explain that logic to me.
The only reason to hurt Moon is "to see if something happens", and guess what, what happens is when you hurt people they get scared, angry and ultimaltely die.
...or you eat the small thing, and be feral. The game allows you to, you even get an achievement and an actual powerup by eating the neurons :)
Why? Because other games work like that? Reach goal, get powerup?
How do you know it's guiding you to your family? You ASSUMED that, because of the cutscene and how other games conditioned you to think
Right, the rain is coming. so i need to figure out why i'm here fast, or i may loose it and/or die. i was sent here for a reason, i need to figure out what that reason is.
Again, i was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sent here. i was told "Be here" and given no other instruction.
Why should i leave?!
I'm not asking for a powerup i'm asking for some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ emotion, some expression, some guidance, some clue as to what i'm supposed to do next. Some clue other then *Frantic panicking* Vs *Blank motionless staring*
Uhh... Becaaauuse of the literal entire setup of the game?????
Beginning of game: You are with your family
You are unwillingly separated from your family
You are now alone and scared
LOGICAL CONCLUSION: Goal is to return to family.
Worm thing shows you a picture of slugcat head and an arrow.
LOGICAL CONCLUSION: "Your family is this way! Go this way!"
What other way am i supposed to think!? "Oh no, I've been tragically ripped away from my partner / parents / children. "wELP! TIME TO GO ON AN EPIC JOURNEY OF REBUILDING THIS LOST CIVILISATION I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED UNTIL TEN MINUTES FROM NOW!" ???
Because the overseer constantly nudges you to go there and shows you every 5 minutes a hologram of Moons appearance.
Also the camera is so far zoomed out that it is very hard to interpret body gestures of a tiny creature on the screen. Iggy is constantly spaming obnoxious holograms, but the one time its holograms would actually be usefull for some clarification it decides to stays silent.
They could have even let Moon project some cryptic holograms, which give you at least some sort of context.
-Adds reason to not want to hurt her
-Shows some reason to care about her
-Gives the player some reward for making the trek
-Instantly makes Moon more relatable, active, and lets us know she's alive.
-Would get the player invested in her enough to want to stick around for awhile, possibly over multiple cycles, better incentivising leaving and returning to the shelter like intended.
It'd be perfect.
...see I also have a working ? key :)
All fine and dandy
What if the meaning is "slugcat dude go this way", or what if he is tricking you? What if he knows that by helping Moon you'll reach your family in the end?
I hope you don't teach your kids to follow any random dude that shows them a sticky figure of a person :D
The game never rewarded you until that point. You just keep living, there are no prizes, no new abilities, no special items and even if you get your hands on something cool the odds are you can't carry it forever because two paws and a belly. All the rewards have been given to you, the player , in the form of knowledge, new techniques to traverse the landscape, new creatures, and finally you meet
ANOTHER INTELLIGENT BEING
Moon is clearly talking, it was the biggest reward for another intelligent being, the realization you're not alone in a world of preys and predators. There is MORE! That moment transforms the game... If you are intelligent.
If you are feral you get an easy to catch meal and now you glow. The game even mocks you by calling it "enlightenment"... Because you now are... ENLIGHTENED, despite behaving no better than a lizard.
Masterful.
Why should she pet a random creature that popped out of the water? She talks, you clearly don't understand her, maybe you're a wild animal there to try and eat her... Which you were :D
And why do you need reasons not to hurt someone?
Rewards and interest are sparked by knowing she's there, there's more to the world than eat or be eaten.
what other assumption would there be? You get seperated from your family, in what scenario is your goal not "return to family"?
That's entirely possible, and that's what i thought i was being directed towards Moon for! But it didn't pan out did it? Moon didn't help me at all.
In either case, the directions certainly don't read anything like "rebuild this entire civilisation" or something right? It definitely has something to do with you and movement, and considering the opening cutscene, i don't think it's unfair to think "Move towards family / guidance towards family" is a logical step.
You know, i find it funny. The same people who say "Another intelligent being" / "Slugcat is intelligent" etc are often the same people who say "You can't play the game like a game you need to get immersed and play from the slugcat's perspective yadda yadda". But... i don't feel like those two are really compatible?
up until this point Slugcat has played and acted like an animal, an animal that can use tools sure, but there are a lot animals that do that.
And if you're playing slugcat as intelligent, then you're utilising your own intelligence, therefore allowing you to play the game and recognise it as a game.
So you can't say "You can't rationalise things like you're playing a game" while also saying "You need to be intelligent and rationalise while playing the game". Which is it?
I mean... is she? If she is she isn't saying anything very loud. all i saw was a static and unmoving blue thing standing there.
If she's trying to communicate, then why doesn't she react or respond to any of my attempts to communicate back?
Why does she not respond when i approach?
Why does she not respond when i crouch in front of her?
Why does she not gesture or emote in any way when i jump in front of her exitedly?
Why does she not react in any way when i try to grab on to or pull her?
Why does she just stand there when i'm utilising every skill i have at my disposal to try and get her to recognise my presence in some way?
Why does she immediately revert to standing still and not moving when i recognise her panic after grabbing a neuron, and immediately let it go out of concern?
You try to tell me that the Slugcat is supposed to be smart, so howcome out of all of these signs of the slugcat showing intelligence and attempting to communicate, she doesn't react or respond to any of them? she doesn't change tactics or alter her approach? Never gestures or emotes or tries anything to actually acknowledge my existence as an entity in front of her? All she does is " 0_0" into the middle distance like a living statue.
Slugcat may be smart, but if that's the case, Moon sure as heck isn't.
Again, if you're trying to tell me "You are not alone" maybe have the entity i'm supposed to not be alone with like... act... in some way?... like... DO something? maybe?
A smidgen of emotion?
A hint of a clue?
Some tip a guidance?
The teeniest, tiniest hint that she's awake in there?
Again, before grabbing her first neuron i was not even aware she was alive that's how little she did! When i let go of the neuron, she resumed her living statue form!
eating the neuron was the last possible thing i could do, and i only did it because she didn't respond to me in any other way!
Room for improvement.
To paraphrase your own words:
"and finally you meet
ANOTHER INTELLIGENT BEING
[This creature] is clearly [trying to communicate], it was the biggest reward for another intelligent being, the realization you're not alone in a world of preys and predators. There is MORE! That moment transforms the game... If you are intelligent."
At no point was i every trying to eat her. i was trying to communicate, eating the neuron was the last possible thing i could do, and grabbing the neuron was the only thing that made her react in any kind of way. Action is better the Inaction, this is not difficult to grasp.
Wasn't trying to hurt her, was trying to communicate, only thing that got any form of reaction out of her, already established, moving on.
oh that's great, i can definitely return to my family with the awareness that she's there. the dozens of deaths, hours of suffering, and relentless arrows and holograms of the guide pestering me that it took to get me here are all SURELY worth it because i "saw a T-posing blue thing" for five whole seconds.
And again:
"oh look! a blue thing! it's not hostile! it's not trying to kill me! it's trying to communicate with me! it's talking to me! it's intelligent! i'm not alone in the world! there's more to the world then eat or be eaten! This is the biggest and most important experience of my entire journey thus far!"
"I GUESS I'LL LEAVE!?"
why come back later when we can just talk now?
like just talk to me now, i am here now. We can talk now.
Also comparing the intelligence of a cave-man like slug cat to a super computer built by a hyper intelligent society, and then saying the computer is stupider than the cat because she doesn't speak cat. BTW the slugcat never learns how to speak, he gains the knowledge necessary to understand her words.
i wasn't trying to kill her
i was trying to communicate with here
Grabbing the neuron is the only thing that got any kind of reaction
i tried literally everything else and got no reaction
i can jump, walk, crouch, grab, and eat. those first four did nothing
so i tried the fifth one to try and get any kind of reaction out of this blue thing.
this was never about trying to kill her it was about trying to communicate
i wasn't even aware eating the neurons WOULD kill her
i had no idea of knowing they were even NEURONS, they just looked like separate jellyfish animals to me.
the reactions grabbing the neurons gave were negative yes but they were THE ONLY REACTIONS I GOT
Action is better then no action
i followed the action.
i have spelled this out so clearly so many times, how many times do i need to explain this? holy ♥♥♥♥.
Bro if my cat was actively trying to talk to me, you can damn well be sure i'd sit down and try to listen and talk back. i'd be doing everything in my power to communicate with this thing, not just sitting there with a blank expression on my face.