How difficult is this game?

[älcheminty]

Saw this game on sale and it looks fantastic! I will probably buy it later on today, I love the post-apocalyptic aesthetic to death!
Anywho, just so my expectations are set correctly, how difficult is this game, and how punishing is it?
Thanks!

[Gaming Gaming]

Some sections are relaxing, others though... Have you ever played Getting Over it? It can be a little bit like that. Still a fun game though, in a bit of a brutal way.

[älcheminty]

Originally posted by Gaming Gaming:

Some sections are relaxing, others though... Have you ever played Getting Over it? It can be a little bit like that. Still a fun game though, in a bit of a brutal way.

I have! Decently fun game. So I assume that you mean that, like Getting Over It, if you make a mistake you can lose a ton of progress?
I love Brutal games! Good thing to hear!

[ivan866_z]

the biggest thing to understand about this game - it is NOT linear, there is no single correct route to track, and you need to take another one when you see predators are active at some specific area - this usually saves more time than when you try to rush the same route over and over again

you can lose some progress in form of your karma level - because certain doors require a specific (or higher) level to be opened; karma level decreases each time you die (and start from checkpoint) and increases each time you successfully reach a checkpoint (even if it is the SAME one) - but staying at the same checkpoint ('shelter') causes the surroundings to become scarce on food, and predators to start crowding around; this is why you always have to move further

yes, there is such mechanic in Rain World as LUCK; players obviously need some luck in order to progress

[Arbiter]

Another thing, expanding on what ivan866 said, is that Karma level also dictates how tough your life is going to be. A higher Karma level means there will be more enemies to face off against and more difficult ones appearing over all, but the lower it is the less enemy creatures will appear. But always keep in mind that in this game there are many areas basically designed to off you, and other areas designed to give you a bit of a break. That, and the whole Karma-difficulty thing I mentioned tends to not be so noticeable, but it is there.

On another note, the game basically tells you next to nothing about the controls. It tells you how to eat, pick up stuff, and pounce, but nothing further than that; you'll have to learn everything else yourself, or look up that one guide thats like 70 pages long because there's A LOT of movement tricks the game doesn't tell you about.

Other than that, the game is pretty fun but I suggest you trust almost nothing in your environment and always be cautious. You never know what could be lying in wait in the next room, after all.

[RCMidas]

The big thing to remember is that there is no lose condition (until you already complete the game and unlock the explicitly tougher start in which there sort of is) so you can afford to fail as often and as painfully as you need to in order to develop your skills and get familiar with the map.

[Jevmen]

you have the advantage over every creature in terms of mobility from the begining, you just need to get used to control and learn some medium difficulty moves like slides, however all predators can kill you in seconds if not careful.

Depends on your playstyle, if you flee and stay near safe shortcuts and pipes you will have no problems
If you go full YOLO you will indeed die

[Jevmen]

Originally posted by minty:

Originally posted by Gaming Gaming:

Some sections are relaxing, others though... Have you ever played Getting Over it? It can be a little bit like that. Still a fun game though, in a bit of a brutal way.

I have! Decently fun game. So I assume that you mean that, like Getting Over It, if you make a mistake you can lose a ton of progress?
I love Brutal games! Good thing to hear!

the progression lost is basically "survive cycles to increase karma, die to decerase karma, gates to new regons need specific levels of karma to be open from 1 to 5 karma"

[älcheminty]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

Originally posted by minty:

I have! Decently fun game. So I assume that you mean that, like Getting Over It, if you make a mistake you can lose a ton of progress?
I love Brutal games! Good thing to hear!

the progression lost is basically "survive cycles to increase karma, die to decerase karma, gates to new regons need specific levels of karma to be open from 1 to 5 karma"

Everybody's responses has made me even more jazzed to start playing this game! This karma system thing sounds pretty interesting.

[Lyra]

Originally posted by Arbiter:

Another thing, expanding on what ivan866 said, is that Karma level also dictates how tough your life is going to be. A higher Karma level means there will be more enemies to face off against and more difficult ones appearing over all, but the lower it is the less enemy creatures will appear. But always keep in mind that in this game there are many areas basically designed to off you, and other areas designed to give you a bit of a break. That, and the whole Karma-difficulty thing I mentioned tends to not be so noticeable, but it is there.

This is entirely untrue.

Karma has no effect on creatures. Creature spawns are consistent for each slugcat you play as, at all times. It only has effect on the gates, and the first passage. The karma mechanic basically acts as a skill check to make sure the player knows how to survive in a location / around certain creatures before moving on to another area.

[Jevmen]

Originally posted by Lyra:

Originally posted by Arbiter:

Another thing, expanding on what ivan866 said, is that Karma level also dictates how tough your life is going to be. A higher Karma level means there will be more enemies to face off against and more difficult ones appearing over all, but the lower it is the less enemy creatures will appear. But always keep in mind that in this game there are many areas basically designed to off you, and other areas designed to give you a bit of a break. That, and the whole Karma-difficulty thing I mentioned tends to not be so noticeable, but it is there.

This is entirely untrue.

Karma has no effect on creatures. Creature spawns are consistent for each slugcat you play as, at all times. It only has effect on the gates, and the first passage. The karma mechanic basically acts as a skill check to make sure the player knows how to survive in a location / around certain creatures before moving on to another area.

agreed, Karma doesnt affect gameplay at all, there are some "amazing secrets" you can discover by wandering arround with max karma, but there is no difficulty effect caused by karma

[Lyra]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

Originally posted by Lyra:

This is entirely untrue.

Karma has no effect on creatures. Creature spawns are consistent for each slugcat you play as, at all times. It only has effect on the gates, and the first passage. The karma mechanic basically acts as a skill check to make sure the player knows how to survive in a location / around certain creatures before moving on to another area.

agreed, Karma doesnt affect gameplay at all, there are some "amazing secrets" you can discover by wandering arround with max karma, but there is no difficulty effect caused by karma

True! It does have effects on that, but I didn't think about that, you're right.

[Arbiter]

Originally posted by Lyra:

Originally posted by Arbiter:

Another thing, expanding on what ivan866 said, is that Karma level also dictates how tough your life is going to be. A higher Karma level means there will be more enemies to face off against and more difficult ones appearing over all, but the lower it is the less enemy creatures will appear. But always keep in mind that in this game there are many areas basically designed to off you, and other areas designed to give you a bit of a break. That, and the whole Karma-difficulty thing I mentioned tends to not be so noticeable, but it is there.

This is entirely untrue.

Karma has no effect on creatures. Creature spawns are consistent for each slugcat you play as, at all times. It only has effect on the gates, and the first passage. The karma mechanic basically acts as a skill check to make sure the player knows how to survive in a location / around certain creatures before moving on to another area.

Ah, I see, guess I've just been weirdly lucky with encountering less threatening creatures on lower Karma levels then.

[Lord Rumpkin]

Dark Souls is harder. So is Minecraft. There are many games harder and more punishing than this one.

Rain World is pleasantly challenging. Once you get over the fact that you're not an apex predator, but a vulnerable critter in a dangerous world that may or may not kill you at any second... you kinda just snicker when you die.

[stealthXG]

Originally posted by Lord Rumpkin:

Dark Souls is harder. So is Minecraft. There are many games harder and more punishing than this one.

Rain World is pleasantly challenging. Once you get over the fact that you're not an apex predator, but a vulnerable critter in a dangerous world that may or may not kill you at any second... you kinda just snicker when you die.

Minecraft harder? lol nah bruh. This game is harder than most games out there and I love playing hard games. This is the only game that makes me want to throw my screen out the window. Especially when you just want to get through sky islands from farm arrays when playing as hunter or the damn leg. This game is unforgiving af.

[Lord Rumpkin]

Originally posted by stealthXG:

Originally posted by Lord Rumpkin:

Dark Souls is harder. So is Minecraft. There are many games harder and more punishing than this one.

Rain World is pleasantly challenging. Once you get over the fact that you're not an apex predator, but a vulnerable critter in a dangerous world that may or may not kill you at any second... you kinda just snicker when you die.

Minecraft harder? lol nah bruh. This game is harder than most games out there and I love playing hard games. This is the only game that makes me want to throw my screen out the window. Especially when you just want to get through sky islands from farm arrays when playing as hunter or the damn leg. This game is unforgiving af.

My opinion has changed.

I am stuck in the shoreline region, and am ripping my hair out.

Actually nevermind, figured it out. not so bad, ez pz