Wall jump is very annoying

[Dark Messiah]

If there is one thing that is probably the worst in this game is how bad the wall jumping is. I don`t understand why with the way wall jumping is, there are some crucial places that actually require me to traverse a long vertical tunnel by using wall jumping. My thumb honestly hurt at one place after I met the Moon and I had to reload and change to keyboard to be able to pass that section.

As I play this more and more, I just feel like it has been deliberately designed to be frustrating in places without any good reason...!

[Teod]

What exactly do you find frustrating? The only thing I found difficult is lack of air control and stong gravity - if you fall, you fall all the way down with very little chance to recover. But other than that it feels normal. Even a bit more forgiving with timing, since the character it pretty sticky and doesn't slide down walls too fast.

[Dark Messiah]

Originally posted by Teod:

What exactly do you find frustrating? The only thing I found difficult is lack of air control and stong gravity - if you fall, you fall all the way down with very little chance to recover. But other than that it feels normal. Even a bit more forgiving with timing, since the character it pretty sticky and doesn't slide down walls too fast.

Well, I have to keep changing the direction I am jumping and very quickly to traverse upwards. In two sections this got so bad that I had to switch to keyboard, it does not feel responsive at all. I understand, this game is not supposed to be like Super Meat Boy but suddenly asking me to climb a vertical shaft with wall jump with the way controls are makes not sense to me. The game clearly has not been designed with tight platforming in mind, then what is the point of putting this obstacles in the player`s way?

[Teod]

Oh, that explains it. I played with keyboard from the start, so I didn't feel it. But it makes sense if you're waggling a stick or d-pad, you can get tired...

[stealthXG]

Sounds like an issue on your end. Most 2D games I've played with wall jumping is pretty much the same.

[DarthSasquatch]

The wall jumping in this game is infuriating. I play tons of 2d puzzle platformers, and never had any problems. Iv been trapped in a spawn point where the only way back is a mile of wall jumping, the timer kills me over and over, so when i finally got back to the door to the previous region its karma locked, and theres no food nearby. Im on the verge of resetting my save a second time just to keep playing.

[Justice]

Originally posted by stealthXG:

Sounds like an issue on your end. Most 2D games I've played with wall jumping is pretty much the same.

Nope. I have 300+ hours in this game and I can confirm the game does indeed have serious problems with control inputs and responsives to key combinations to perform different techniques. A lot of advanced movement techniques is practially impossible due to bad controls / inputs despite training for hours with no success or they are so extremly unreliable there is no point attempting in playthrough due to 90-99% failure to perform those.

Before I bought the game and played, I have watched some playthrough and wondered why so many people can't even walk, wall jump or climb (let a lone trying any move techques) properly? Are they that bad or disabled? I show them how to be a gamer!
Until I played for myself.... I was clueless fool... Holy crap, controls were beyond bad, no wonder everyone struggle with these.

[dave93812]

Originally posted by starbuck:

I agree. Im about to give up on this game that i otherwise really love, simply because its near imposible to wall jump on some parts. I just barely made it in time to the save point in industrial complex with the wall jump, and im avoiding that save point now because its so difficult to get up and i dont get anywhere because the controls and response is so bad it takes too much effort to do it. And if i do it 'slow' and precise, it doesnt work lol.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198049774886/screenshot/2460732229187623642/
I cannot climb this wall! Im sitting with 2 hands mashing the damn keys to speed to no avail, and if i do manage to get up i fall down halfway because of one teensy tiny slow response and start over.
Its not a problem normally in other games but in this game this absolutely NEEDS to get a fix.

Its imposible to wall climb on keybord bordering on luck if u manage, it doesnt have to feel this clumsy and unresponsive and random.
Im doing left jump right jump as supposed and told in guides, and it takes me 5 min to climb the damn wall.
I need to walk away from this game for now, this is game breaking for me and a flawed and lazy control issue that I hope the devs fix to make it easier.

Really sad, love it otherwise but wall climbing is HORRIBLE and near imposible in some places.

there's a mod on the workshop called SimplifiedMoveset! it has a few options to help with movement and such, one of them prevents automatically sliding down walls whilst grabbing into them to wall jump, so you can take as much time as you'd like before jumping. no shame in using QoL mods! shame that it isn't built into the base game's remix functionality

[Justice]

Originally posted by dave93812:

there's a mod on the workshop called SimplifiedMoveset! it has a few options to help with movement and such, one of them prevents automatically sliding down walls whilst grabbing into them to wall jump, so you can take as much time as you'd like before jumping. no shame in using QoL mods! shame that it isn't built into the base game's remix functionality

There is shame. Why I'm supposed to use cheats to fix the game some bs mechanics. Despite I often feel like this game deserve to be cheated, it still make you feel like a cheater and loser for downloading those. It should be added and fixed by developers.

I had breaking point in one of slugcats campaign that forced me to use console command out of pure anger it inflicted on me. I have abused console so much, that I often can't restrain myself, doing on share impulses or making excuses to use it. I feel shame for using it and got addicted to it everytime I felt wronged or had a rage moment

Same thing can be said for mods that makes game easier. The only thing preventing me to abuse mods for my gameplay advantage is by completely unistaling them. But then I get urgue to put them back when you got too comfortable, rellying on them.


Rain world was one very few games that forced me to cheat (and yes I do consider mods that give you large fixes and advantages a cheat). Last time I did it in another game I use mod to beat the game. I Cursed it to hell, uninstalled and ask Steam support to remove it from my Library to never see or reminded myself of it

[Fingusa of the East]

Originally posted by Justice:

Originally posted by dave93812:

there's a mod on the workshop called SimplifiedMoveset! it has a few options to help with movement and such, one of them prevents automatically sliding down walls whilst grabbing into them to wall jump, so you can take as much time as you'd like before jumping. no shame in using QoL mods! shame that it isn't built into the base game's remix functionality

There is shame. Why I'm supposed to use cheats to fix the game some bs mechanics. Despite I often feel like this game deserve to be cheated, it still make you feel like a cheater and loser for downloading those. It should be added and fixed by developers.

I had breaking point in one of slugcats campaign that forced me to use console command out of pure anger it inflicted on me. I have abused console so much, that I often can't restrain myself, doing on share impulses or making excuses to use it. I feel shame for using it and got addicted to it everytime I felt wronged or had a rage moment

Same thing can be said for mods that makes game easier. The only thing preventing me to abuse mods for my gameplay advantage is by completely unistaling them. But then I get urgue to put them back when you got too comfortable, rellying on them.


Rain world was one very few games that forced me to cheat (and yes I do consider mods that give you large fixes and advantages a cheat). Last time I did it in another game I use mod to beat the game. I Cursed it to hell, uninstalled and ask Steam support to remove it from my Library to never see or reminded myself of it

Games are supposed to be fun. If modding the game makes it more fun, it is a net positive on your life.

[dave93812]

Originally posted by Justice:

Originally posted by dave93812:

there's a mod on the workshop called SimplifiedMoveset! it has a few options to help with movement and such, one of them prevents automatically sliding down walls whilst grabbing into them to wall jump, so you can take as much time as you'd like before jumping. no shame in using QoL mods! shame that it isn't built into the base game's remix functionality

There is shame. Why I'm supposed to use cheats to fix the game some bs mechanics. Despite I often feel like this game deserve to be cheated, it still make you feel like a cheater and loser for downloading those. It should be added and fixed by developers.

I had breaking point in one of slugcats campaign that forced me to use console command out of pure anger it inflicted on me. I have abused console so much, that I often can't restrain myself, doing on share impulses or making excuses to use it. I feel shame for using it and got addicted to it everytime I felt wronged or had a rage moment

Same thing can be said for mods that makes game easier. The only thing preventing me to abuse mods for my gameplay advantage is by completely unistaling them. But then I get urgue to put them back when you got too comfortable, rellying on them.


Rain world was one very few games that forced me to cheat (and yes I do consider mods that give you large fixes and advantages a cheat). Last time I did it in another game I use mod to beat the game. I Cursed it to hell, uninstalled and ask Steam support to remove it from my Library to never see or reminded myself of it

Fair enough point, some issues are definitely worth addressing by the developers manually. Hope that they’ll eventually push another remix update to solve wonky controls. Or better yet, make the input a bit better (Clarification: I don’t actually use QoL mods personally but I do feel safe recommending them to anyone that is having consistent issues)

[hi]

I've beaten the game several times, and I can tell you that besides from Drainage System and Pipeyard, there are barely any places where you are absolutely REQUIRED to wall jump, and LttM specifically does not require any wall jumping whatsoever.

Originally posted by starbuck:

I agree. Im about to give up on this game that i otherwise really love, simply because its near imposible to wall jump on some parts. I just barely made it in time to the save point in industrial complex with the wall jump, and im avoiding that save point now because its so difficult to get up and i dont get anywhere because the controls and response is so bad it takes too much effort to do it. And if i do it 'slow' and precise, it doesnt work lol.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198049774886/screenshot/2460732229187623642/
I cannot climb this wall! Im sitting with 2 hands mashing the damn keys to speed to no avail, and if i do manage to get up i fall down halfway because of one teensy tiny slow response and start over.
Its not a problem normally in other games but in this game this absolutely NEEDS to get a fix.

Its imposible to wall climb on keybord bordering on luck if u manage, it doesnt have to feel this clumsy and unresponsive and random.
Im doing left jump right jump as supposed and told in guides, and it takes me 5 min to climb the damn wall.
I need to walk away from this game for now, this is game breaking for me and a flawed and lazy control issue that I hope the devs fix to make it easier.

Really sad, love it otherwise but wall climbing is HORRIBLE and near imposible in some places.

As for this, there's literally a pipe on the left side of the room that leads up. You don't have to do any wall jumping.

[Spirit]

i personally use the "wall climb" mod , why bother with jumping left and right ... we are freaking slugs , dammit

[Syzygy]

I always thought it was kinda funny how tricky the controls and movements are in RW, as if surviving wasn't hard enough lol. You can make a lot of it easier with mods or remapping. For wall jumping, as you improve at it you can do it with less tension in your hands, but I hear ya it's definitely hard on the thumbs no matter what. You don't really look at rain world and expect near fighting game levels of input tolerance (and sheer # of inputs needed for things).