operation winterstorm

[blackvoid]

I keep failing primary objective "hold 2 VPs along Chir river". I actually never lost any of them and hold 4.

Any advice or this is just a scripting bug?

[76561198140987853]

I have this too. Seems it is bug. But dont worry, it will be a victory despite of this bug.

[blackvoid]

OK, thanks.

[moondy]

Hova you can hold those points? I cant stop the 6 tanks and 14 42 russa infantries... :(
And cap the bidge and finally go to stalingrad. :(

Please elp me.

[radzio.miszczak]

@moondy, put heavy infantry and AT guns. BTW do you think there is too much Land-Lease tanks in game ?

[AceCombatrix]

So i just completed the operation, and I must say I am disappointed. Despite relieving the 6th Army, I get the normal ending for the operation, which claims that it was destroyed.Also it seems like I did not get any reward for saving the 6th,. The description claims that it would strengthen my core, but I got no new units, and I don't think that I got an XP boost or something. Also no marker on the map saying something like "because we saved the 6th, more units are alive to help us" or something.

I really hope that this is a bug or will be changed in the future, because after the amazing alternate history in the Rising Sun and Kriegsmarine campaigns, I had hoped we could change at least a bit in the german main campaign.

Also I must say I am worried for the last part now, because at this rate we will just have a "die at berlin" final mission. Really hope I am wrong, but I would have hoped to be able to change small points in history (like Morning Sun) in order to change a big part (final battle) at the end

Sorry for the text wall.

[blackvoid]

Well. Kursk mission is even worse in this regard.

I just can't see any other way to design a "winning battle" in a game about lost war. May be unique unit?

Classic Panzer Corps has the same problem. No matter what you do you still lose the war :).

[AceCombatrix]

Haven't gotten to Kursk yet, because I lost a lot of spirit after the "breakout", and now I'm kinda glad about it.

I haven't finished Classic PC, I only know about the extended campaign with the "miraculous victory" where the allies seemingly give up after being pushed back at Berlin.

Yes I do agree that a "victory" during Winter Storm would be impossible, even if the relief force could open up the whole pocket and evacuate the 6th, those men would desperately need medical supplies, food and rest, and they would of course not be an immediate help in order to reinforce the defense, and the next missions would be the same, or even worse because the relief force has commited more men and equipment in the breakout.

However as I mentioned, Artistocrats have made some very good and plausible alternate history that remains realistic while also being rewarding ( winning objectives in china that have historically been lost, to enable a final unhistorical battle).

I would like to suggest a small change to the ending text if the secondary objective is completed-

instead of "victory " some kind of "mission complete", informing us that the 6th has survived, and is being sent to the back lines to recover- so we saved them, but they can not fight on at the moment.

Also I would add a marker (pins on the map) like in the pacific campaigns, there are almost none in Panzerkrieg anyways informing us that our army will eventually be reinforced because of the extra soldiers.

Still I dont know what the actual reward is at the moment - I got no unit, no exp boost and nothing to "strenghten my core" as the description is. Have you noticed anything?

As always sorry for the text wall.

[cool]

In the Slitherine forum it is said "there is a CP reward in 1943 if the 6th army is relieved". In the editor it looks like you will also get one free core unit if you save the 6th Army. Note that you only get these rewards at Kursk.

[oddball]

Originally posted by radzio.miszczak:

@moondy, put heavy infantry and AT guns. BTW do you think there is too much Land-Lease tanks in game ?

No. Lend Lease tanks made up between 10% and 20% of all active duty Soviet tanks depending on period. The high point was the winter of 1941 during the Soviet counteroffensive when almost 1 in every 4 tanks available for the offensive was lend leased.

Soviet tankers enjoyed ♥♥♥♥ talking them, but find me a tank crew anywhere or anywhen that didn't spend at least half their life complaining about their tank. Turns out tankers are like soldiers everywhere: the only thing they love more than pudding cups is complaining about literally everything. It's an article of faith among senior noncoms everywhere that if a soldier stops whining for more than five seconds they are either dead or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ something up.