For the love of God, don't censor anything. Keep everything as is in the trailers.

[Outchaosing Cthulhu]

Because they look great and I'll definitely buy the game, and if you do censor it, I will ignore it, just like thousands of other people. The age of pandering to a non-existent "modern audience" is over. Get with the program, or the world will leave you behind, just like it has with a lot of studios and publishers. This pandering is why so many developers are losing their jobs. You don't cater to your core audience who will in turn abandon you, and you will be left with no one to sell your product to. It's really not that difficult to understand. Thank you for listening to my ted talk.

[Archgod]

The amount of unpaid "leave the AAA company alone chud" shills need to be studied. Every time you point something out that's bad, there's three shills waiting to "own the chuds". Look at monster hunter wilds' abhorrent performance on mid-end pcs and the kind of people that white knight the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ company. These ppeople are programmed to own the chuds and not formulate their own opinions. It's like this in anime discussions as well. Say that you don't like how there's censorship compared to manga (Ubal Blatt is the recent case) and the same owning the chud robots will turn their attention to you.

[Chibi Life]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Archgod:

The amount of unpaid "leave the AAA company alone chud" shills need to be studied. Every time you point something out that's bad, there's three shills waiting to "own the chuds". Look at monster hunter wilds' abhorrent performance on mid-end pcs and the kind of people that white knight the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ company. These ppeople are programmed to own the chuds and not formulate their own opinions. It's like this in anime discussions as well. Say that you don't like how there's censorship compared to manga (Ubal Blatt is the recent case) and the same owning the chud robots will turn their attention to you.

You also can't call them paid shills working on behalf of the company or mods ban you. However there's so many on every game forum I've been on on Steam that I can't imagine this is normal. Certainly smells like a conspiracy to me

[xHans]

I would have preffered that the atelier franchise stayed with the tits and ass forrmula that brought it to the spotlight with ryza and now it's going back to its roots after they cashed in on it making people like myself to stop giving any fks anymore.

[Chibi Life]

Ursprungligen skrivet av xHans:

I would have preffered that the atelier franchise stayed with the tits and ass forrmula that brought it to the spotlight with ryza and now it's going back to its roots after they cashed in on it making people like myself to stop giving any fks anymore.

The sad part is this isn't even going back to its roots. It's disappointing long-term fans and the lewdcifers brought in by Ryza at the same time lol

[Eirantiun-6]

Ursprungligen skrivet av xHans:

I would have preffered that the atelier franchise stayed with the tits and ass forrmula that brought it to the spotlight with ryza and now it's going back to its roots after they cashed in on it making people like myself to stop giving any fks anymore.

FYI.

There will be a Season Pass, and they presented the swinsuit skins of it..

[Melodia]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eirantiun-6:

There will be a Season Pass, and they presented the swinsuit skins of it..

Oh don't you know? Even those are censored because, uh....they don't show enough cleavage? I dunno.

[Chibi Life]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Melodia:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eirantiun-6:

There will be a Season Pass, and they presented the swinsuit skins of it..

Oh don't you know? Even those are censored because, uh....they don't show enough cleavage? I dunno.

Pretending like you can't censor a swimsuit seems pretty childish and ridiculous. The problem with America is nobody goes outside anymore to see what real women are wearing, especially at beaches. It's so sad to witness the connection between crying loudly and having a complete disconnect from reality in regards to fiction

[Eirantiun-6]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Melodia:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eirantiun-6:

There will be a Season Pass, and they presented the swinsuit skins of it..

Oh don't you know? Even those are censored because, uh....they don't show enough cleavage? I dunno.

They don't look like censored...

What we won't see is maid, bunny and things like that as outfits.

[kaixedo]

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The censorship wouldn't have been a big deal in the first place if they didn't originally make the T&A Ryza 1 game like they were trying to go the "sex sells" route and then backtrack on it. Why'd you do it in the first place? Then go from that to censored and writing the literal phrase "strong independent women"?

Oh well. I enjoy the older games like Arland, Sophie, Dusk. They won't get another dime from me.

I feel the need to defend Ryza. Ryza isn't THAT lewd is it? Is it even up to the level of other games like for example Nights of Azure or the Tales of games? And this kind of thing was never a problem in games in previous eras.

Atelier Sophie had people complaining that it had boob physics and panties designed onto the costumes. Modern Atelier game DLCs with those costumes censored the parts below the skirt with black voids and people noticed. The Atelier series didn't shy away from this back then, and people didn't really have a problem with it.

Like the meme of Atelier Totori from the Arland series being rated 18+ with "high impact sexual violence" a while back. That was so ridiculous it became a meme.

Elements like this was in other previous games too. To quote this article: https://moegamer.net/2020/09/25/atelier-totori-the-adventurer-of-arland-high-impact-sexual-violence/

But it’s worth noting that a sexually provocative element has always been there to a varying extents, much as it has been in anime for a lot longer than many people realise. Throughout the Atelier Iris series, for example, there are recurring “elemental” enemies who look like naked girls and drop various styles of panties as their loot when you defeat them. And Atelier Rorona features a swimsuit scene (two in Atelier Rorona Plus), as well as numerous suggestions of Rorona being sexually harassed by her teacher Astrid. (Although in the latter regard, it’s also worth noting that we never actually see Astrid doing anything untoward, and given her personality it’s very possible she’s just saying things to get a rise out of her pupil.)

In a way it shows how far society has changed to become so prudish. Even things that didn't cause any issues years ago on PS3 and PSP is now not acceptable.

[DmonHiro]

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They intentionally make this game with adult casts. That's a form of censorship in itself. One of the most popular checkboxes when you make games for the western audience.

This might be the wildest take ever. Like, dude.....

[xHans]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Monterossa:

They intentionally make this game with adult casts. That's a form of censorship in itself. One of the most popular checkboxes when you make games for the western audience.

This might be the wildest take ever. Like, dude.....

I personally prefer characters to be around their early 20's because watching 15 year olds going out on an adventure and having a profession seems a bit off putting but i recognize that in the real world, adults are infantilized to such a degree that they are unable to get off on their own in a lot of cases by the time they are 18. I realize the expectations of a 16 year old today vs. 600 years ago are widly different.

But he isn't wrong tho, usually jrpg main character in a lot of cases hover around 15-17 year olds but it's not something that I care because I actually prefer them to be more adults.

[terry309]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Monterossa:

They intentionally make this game with adult casts. That's a form of censorship in itself. One of the most popular checkboxes when you make games for the western audience.

Thing is though, that's what we want, adult casts.

If that's censorship then good, that's the sort of censorship we need, censor all the child character's attires to not be too revealing or straight up don't put them in the game and make the cast all adults.

Then you can put in all the fanservice you want without any of it being weird/cringe/awkward

[terry309]

Ursprungligen skrivet av xHans:

Ursprungligen skrivet av DmonHiro:

This might be the wildest take ever. Like, dude.....

I personally prefer characters to be around their early 20's because watching 15 year olds going out on an adventure and having a profession seems a bit off putting but i recognize that in the real world, adults are infantilized to such a degree that they are unable to get off on their own in a lot of cases by the time they are 18. I realize the expectations of a 16 year old today vs. 600 years ago are widly different.

But he isn't wrong tho, usually jrpg main character in a lot of cases hover around 15-17 year olds but it's not something that I care because I actually prefer them to be more adults.

What people need to realize is, back in the day, JRPGs were for teenagers, well teenagers nowadays play fortnite, adults of today are the teenagers of back then, put simply, we grew up and we choose to play the games we loved as kids/teens because we still have that interest.

Therefore the casts have to grow with the players, adults want characters they can relate to, if you don't like games with adult casts, go and play Wild Arms 4 instead.

[terry309]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chibi Life:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chariothe:

They clearly stated that they designed main character with "strong-independent women"(自立した強い女性) in mind.

That's all I needed to see to know where Atelier is going. How'd it go from wholesome and cute stories to t!ts and @ss to hyper censored and woke in less than 10 years? Don't get me wrong, I know that strong female leads are not always a woke thing but it's just jarring when they say specifically in that phrasing, "strong-independent women" that makes my alarm bells go off.

The censorship wouldn't have been a big deal in the first place if they didn't originally make the T&A Ryza 1 game like they were trying to go the "sex sells" route and then backtrack on it. Why'd you do it in the first place? Then go from that to censored and writing the literal phrase "strong independent women"?

Oh well. I enjoy the older games like Arland, Sophie, Dusk. They won't get another dime from me.

Just ignore the politics and judge the game based on its gameplay, story, music, visuals and all the stuff that actually matters.

[Chibi Life]

Ursprungligen skrivet av terry309:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chibi Life:

That's all I needed to see to know where Atelier is going. How'd it go from wholesome and cute stories to t!ts and @ss to hyper censored and woke in less than 10 years? Don't get me wrong, I know that strong female leads are not always a woke thing but it's just jarring when they say specifically in that phrasing, "strong-independent women" that makes my alarm bells go off.

The censorship wouldn't have been a big deal in the first place if they didn't originally make the T&A Ryza 1 game like they were trying to go the "sex sells" route and then backtrack on it. Why'd you do it in the first place? Then go from that to censored and writing the literal phrase "strong independent women"?

Oh well. I enjoy the older games like Arland, Sophie, Dusk. They won't get another dime from me.

Just ignore the politics and judge the game based on its gameplay, story, music, visuals and all the stuff that actually matters.

That's how i used to live my life until I learned to code and being a white guy trying to break into the programming industry filled with DEI and anti-white hiring practices turned me into a rabid and unhinged hater of all things woke. I will literally not even pirate a game with woke in it, yet alone buy it and will become an eternal hater. Although it's worth noting I don't really believe 100% this game is woke. I try to judge things fairly before I give it the woke label