Gee I wonder why people pirate games.

[Tully]

I personally don't do it and I also don't encourage it but I can see why people pirate games when they want 150$ for a game.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

Yeah that same excuse has existed since the late 80s, it's a convenient excuse, even if this game was $30 or $50 for top end edition, people would still grab a warez release if available, because... greed.

But since Denuvo is on it, it may take a long time if ever for a release to surface.

Either way I wish warez users would just admit they are greedy and want to play what they want for free, would save a lot of time typing out the excuses they don't believe in.

[Tully]

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Yeah that same excuse has existed since the late 80s, it's a convenient excuse, even if this game was $30 or $50 for top end edition, people would still grab a warez release if available, because... greed.

But since Denuvo is on it, it may take a long time if ever for a release to surface.

Either way I wish warez users would just admit they are greedy and want to play what they want for free, would save a lot of time typing out the excuses they don't believe in.

I bought every other Atelier game..... I don't think you know what you're talking about.
I just won't buy it, it's as simple as that. Monster Hunter Wilds is out, so I guess I will just be playing that over this.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

Did I say you were a warez user? I was speaking generally.
Why take what I said personally?

I know what I am talking about, excuses to use warez releases have always been the same usual ones - price, DRM and the infamous "I will try it out and if I like it I will buy it.... but I never will" one.

Greed is the biggest motivator why buy something when you can get it for free? A majority of people think like that. Like WinRAR something warez users used constantly due to releases packed in individual archives based on the type of release and size set by the council, yet people never bought WinRAR despite it's low price... because why buy it when you can get it for free.

[Tully]

Първоначално публикувано от McGeorgeOfTheJungle:

Did I say you were a warez user? I was speaking generally.
Why take what I said personally?

I know what I am talking about, excuses to use warez releases have always been the same usual ones - price, DRM and the infamous "I will try it out and if I like it I will buy it.... but I never will" one.

Greed is the biggest motivator why buy something when you can get it for free? A majority of people think like that. Like WinRAR something warez users used constantly due to released packed in individual archives based on the type of release and size set by the council, yet people never bought WinRAR despite it's low price... because why buy it when you can get it for free.

There was a semi famous developer who released a game and made it regional pricing.
The country in question usually always is known for pirating games and since he did regional pricing they actually sold the most copies of that game in that country.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

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There was a semi famous developer who released a game and made it regional pricing.
The country in question usually always is known for pirating games and since he did regional pricing they actually sold the most copies of that game in that country.

And? An individual event doesn't equate to the whole.

Like I said if people can get it for free, they will. It is as simple as that, no matter the pricing.

Think about what you said.. a country know to use warez releases highly, sold the most copies... when in a county that usually doesn't sell much copies.. it's not a big win as you think it is to be fair.

Either way if this does have Denuvo as rumoured, it doesn't matter, as it may not get a warez release at all.

But again to be blunt, people don't use warez releases because of prices, they do so because of greed. No ifs or buts. People can use all the excuses they can, in the end it doesn't make what they did more acceptable.

[Tully]

People will just not buy the game even if it goes on a discount later due to fomo of missing the pre-order items.

[SgtKwan]

good thing im not the only one complaining about the price. If the game can give me 40 hours of gameplay then ill pay(thats the minimum amount of hours I spend on each atelier game), if not ill pirate or just won't buy it.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

You know most atelier games is a grind fest for levelling alchemy to do quests. You will easily get 40hrs from it I am sure.

[Tully]

That's all I'm going to say pirate, no pirate, all I'm saying is people simply wont drop 150$ in this state of inflation economy . Especially when this game isn't really well known for anything but it's marginal fan service.

The storyline is a borderline joke, the combat is a joke, everything about Atelier games is just built upon mild fan service and cutesy characters. If you removed the female character from the game this game wouldn't sell over 100 copies.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

$150 is for the ultimate edition though. I don't think it is $150 anyway, is it not like $115-120 USD?

[Tully]

lol.... I've played every atelier game... Even the old ones on the playstation one. They aren't that good..... It's just about the mods you can get after you buy the game that actually makes the game half decent.

[Tully]

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$150 is for the ultimate edition though. I don't think it is $150 anyway, is it not like $115-120 USD?

150$ Canadian

[terry309]

Първоначално публикувано от Tully:

The storyline is a borderline joke, the combat is a joke, everything about Atelier games is just built upon mild fan service and cutesy characters. If you removed the female character from the game this game wouldn't sell over 100 copies.

Why are you even posting on here if you feel this way? Clearly you are not a fan of this series, so why even bother interacting on the forums for it?

Now sure there are Atelier games where the combat is ass like Sophie but then you have the Iris games and Mana Khemia games which have fantastic combat.

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

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Първоначално публикувано от McGeorgeOfTheJungle:

$150 is for the ultimate edition though. I don't think it is $150 anyway, is it not like $115-120 USD?

150$ Canadian

So why point out the price for the top end edition, when the base price is what you should be talking about?

Sorry but I don't get why you initially used this price in your argument.

[lukaself]

Първоначално публикувано от McGeorgeOfTheJungle:

Did I say you were a warez user? I was speaking generally.
Why take what I said personally?

I know what I am talking about, excuses to use warez releases have always been the same usual ones - price, DRM and the infamous "I will try it out and if I like it I will buy it.... but I never will" one.

Greed is the biggest motivator why buy something when you can get it for free? A majority of people think like that. Like WinRAR something warez users used constantly due to released packed in individual archives based on the type of release and size set by the council, yet people never bought WinRAR despite it's low price... because why buy it when you can get it for free.

Yet RARlabs is still alive today and profitable with an estimated annual revenue of $25M all from a single product nobody is forced to pay for... funny how that works.

Also, Koei Tecmo, just like many other game companies, appears to have stopped using Denuvo due to lack of evidence preventing piracy affects sales positively. In some cases, DRM even hurts legitimate buyers more than it deters piracy.

Valve has been clear on this for years:

Erik Johnson: There hasn't been a case where we're making a trade off that could negatively impact a customer's experience to reduce this theoretical piracy rate. Those always seem like awful decisions.

Gabe Newell: You were just saying, you're making this trade off, and it's always the wrong one if any customers can be affected negatively by it.

Erik Johnson: Being able to log into any computer and play our games on Steam was a feature that we thought was interesting in the early days of Steam, but has turned out to be an incredibly high value thing for customers, and that's the kind of thing where a flawed anti piracy strategy would be at odds with that.

Doug Lombardi: The other thing, too, is that gamers are generally good people. If you're making a good game and you've done a good job both from a quality and on the communications standpoint, they're more than happy to give you their money.

It seems to me that you were confidently wrong on all counts. Also, stop pretending you did not mean to insult the OP. That "I was talking generally" excuse doesn't fly when there only two people in the conversation. That would only work on a pre-schooler... a confused one.