Straight cash grab

[ObeseTarantula]

Game looks like it was developed in 2015. What has gaming come to

[Johnathon Fortnite]

Originally posted by Suguru:

Originally posted by Shovel:

Typical private profile Steam user baiting because they have nothing better going on in their life. Love the classic "game looks like a PS2 game" like that's a bad thing? Graphics never make the game and especially in Atelier. Back to Twitter, tourist.

Bad thing? No. Esthetically it is fine.

Bad thing for the price they're asking? ♥♥♥♥ YES.

Firstly, aesthetics.
Secondly it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atelier. You don't play these games for cod graphics

[Chibi Life]

Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:

Originally posted by Suguru:

Bad thing? No. Esthetically it is fine.

Bad thing for the price they're asking? ♥♥♥♥ YES.

Firstly, aesthetics.
Secondly it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atelier. You don't play these games for cod graphics

Tell that to the devs

[Johnathon Fortnite]

Originally posted by Chibi Life:

Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:

Firstly, aesthetics.
Secondly it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atelier. You don't play these games for cod graphics

Tell that to the devs

I'm mentally deficient, what do you mean

[Psymind]

Look, I think that for this kind of pricing we should at least get a game that doesnt look like a switch port. It is really ugly in comparison to basically anything with anime graphics on the market. Even mobile gacha games like Wuthering Waves or ZZZ look better than this. Tales of Arise, a 2021 game looks miles better.

[jclosed]

Originally posted by Psymind:

Look, I think that for this kind of pricing we should at least get a game that doesnt look like a switch port. It is really ugly in comparison to basically anything with anime graphics on the market. Even mobile gacha games like Wuthering Waves or ZZZ look better than this. Tales of Arise, a 2021 game looks miles better.

You guy's are so hung up on graphics. But a game is more than graphics alone. If we take graphics as a core then Dragon Age The Veilguard must be a top notch game, right? The same goes for Avowed and Forspoken. That must all be fantastic top games, because of graphics...

[JCKLNTRN]

Originally posted by Chibi Life:

To be fair to OP, AAA game price tags have always been about the cost and time it takes to create a visually stunning fully voice acted audio/visual experience on top of the gameplay.

If a game is asking a AAA price, the gameplay alone isn't worth $70 and I hope nobody thinks it is because that enabling wonton explosive greed. Although the graphics don't look bad in Yumia I'm wondering if it's fully fleshed out, immersive and offers the audio/visual experience quality we'd expect from a AAA game.

Atelier has never been AAA.

As for pricing, while to some extent it is possible to sell a more cheaply made game for a lower price point, that's not a universal rule, you have to consider economy of scale, which isn't unique to the gaming industry. Take books for example, books which are more niche will often cost more on average than books with mass market appeal, and if they didn't, would in some cases not be viable to publish at all.

[Psymind]

Originally posted by jclosed:

You guy's are so hung up on graphics. But a game is more than graphics alone. If we take graphics as a core then Dragon Age The Veilguard must be a top notch game, right? The same goes for Avowed and Forspoken. That must all be fantastic top games, because of graphics...

Brother, I agree with you. But It's not about the graphics, its about the quality of the presentation. And this is ♥♥♥♥ looking. It's like the devs don't know how to work or they are too lazy to learn. Compare this to Zelda ToTK or Xenoblade 3. Those games were absurdly restricted by hardware and they look better than this.
How does this game, releasing on pc/ps5 has this level of polish? Why do you think this is acceptable for this asking price?

[ObeseTarantula]

Originally posted by Psymind:

Originally posted by jclosed:

You guy's are so hung up on graphics. But a game is more than graphics alone. If we take graphics as a core then Dragon Age The Veilguard must be a top notch game, right? The same goes for Avowed and Forspoken. That must all be fantastic top games, because of graphics...

Brother, I agree with you. But It's not about the graphics, its about the quality of the presentation. And this is ♥♥♥♥ looking. It's like the devs don't know how to work or they are too lazy to learn. Compare this to Zelda ToTK or Xenoblade 3. Those games were absurdly restricted by hardware and they look better than this.
How does this game, releasing on pc/ps5 has this level of polish? Why do you think this is acceptable for this asking price?

Thank you for having a brain.

[Psymind]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Atelier has never been AAA.

If you put AAA price on your game, you're competing with AAA. You're AAA.
KOEI isnt an indie company mate. And Atelier isnt as niche as you'd like to believe. If I'm paying this price, I want quality, which doesnt mean Call of Duty graphics, it means a well done game.

[TrivialPawn]

Originally posted by Psymind:

Originally posted by jclosed:

You guy's are so hung up on graphics. But a game is more than graphics alone. If we take graphics as a core then Dragon Age The Veilguard must be a top notch game, right? The same goes for Avowed and Forspoken. That must all be fantastic top games, because of graphics...

Brother, I agree with you. But It's not about the graphics, its about the quality of the presentation. And this is ♥♥♥♥ looking. It's like the devs don't know how to work or they are too lazy to learn. Compare this to Zelda ToTK or Xenoblade 3. Those games were absurdly restricted by hardware and they look better than this.
How does this game, releasing on pc/ps5 has this level of polish? Why do you think this is acceptable for this asking price?

Couldn't have said it better myself

[JCKLNTRN]

Originally posted by Psymind:

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Atelier has never been AAA.

If you put AAA price on your game, you're competing with AAA. You're AAA.
KOEI isnt an indie company mate. And Atelier isnt as niche as you'd like to believe. If I'm paying this price, I want quality, which doesnt mean Call of Duty graphics, it means a well done game.

Koei-Tecmo is the publisher, Gust is the developer, and they've never excelled in graphical prowess. Expecting AAA quality visuals from them is just absurd based on their entire history. Go look at what they were releasing on the PSX and PS2, easily a full generation behind at the time, and those weren't budget-priced either. The gap is comparatively much smaller now than it was then.

[Chibi Life]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Psymind:

If you put AAA price on your game, you're competing with AAA. You're AAA.
KOEI isnt an indie company mate. And Atelier isnt as niche as you'd like to believe. If I'm paying this price, I want quality, which doesnt mean Call of Duty graphics, it means a well done game.

Koei-Tecmo is the publisher, Gust is the developer, and they've never excelled in graphical prowess. Expecting AAA quality visuals from them is just absurd based on their entire history. Go look at what they were releasing on the PSX and PS2, easily a full generation behind at the time, and those weren't budget-priced either. The gap is comparatively much smaller now than it was then.

Then why are they charging a price much higher than the quality their skill level can give us?

[JCKLNTRN]

Originally posted by Chibi Life:

Then why are they charging a price much higher than the quality their skill level can give us?

The base price is actually cheaper than another recent Koei-Tecmo published game, Dynasty Warriors Origins.

Beyond that, unless you are just a complete tourist I can't understand why you would expect high graphical fidelity, or a budget price from an Atelier game, as neither of those things have ever been the norm since the series started in the late 90s.

[Psymind]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Psymind:

If you put AAA price on your game, you're competing with AAA. You're AAA.
KOEI isnt an indie company mate. And Atelier isnt as niche as you'd like to believe. If I'm paying this price, I want quality, which doesnt mean Call of Duty graphics, it means a well done game.

Koei-Tecmo is the publisher, Gust is the developer, and they've never excelled in graphical prowess. Expecting AAA quality visuals from them is just absurd based on their entire history. Go look at what they were releasing on the PSX and PS2, easily a full generation behind at the time, and those weren't budget-priced either. The gap is comparatively much smaller now than it was then.

Brother it's like you're picking apart what I say and just answering what you think will "win" the argument. First off, you can and you should expect AAA quality visuals from them ....I mean...maybe not because that's not a high praise nowadays. Huh, you know what, Atelier Yumia has AAA quality visuals, yeah!
I bought FF Rebirth, bought Monster Hunter Wilds, and I had the same frustrations, it's all low effort garbage. I refuse to pay those prices for the kind of service I'm receiving. And I think you should too.
Why is it that F2P chinese/korean mobile games come out on PC looking and performing better than AAA, 70 dollar products of the same style we're getting nowadays?
Again, I ask you: Compare this to Wuthering Waves, to ZZZ, to Zelda ToTK, Xenoblade 3...this is not an acceptable product, and I'm not hating on Atelier here. But if you continue to support this kind of quality, they will just continue to pump it out.

[Psymind]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Chibi Life:

Then why are they charging a price much higher than the quality their skill level can give us?

The base price is actually cheaper than another recent Koei-Tecmo published game, Dynasty Warriors Origins.

Beyond that, unless you are just a complete tourist I can't understand why you would expect high graphical fidelity, or a budget price from an Atelier game, as neither of those things have ever been the norm since the series started in the late 90s.

What you're saying here is that you'll continue to eat slop because you're used to it? They can't improve their product because...? I guess it's totally okay to ask ludicrous prices for subpar quality if it's something you've done all along then LMAO.