Clearly not a game for newcomers

[Dave]

I haven't played previous titles but when I read this wasn't connected to them and a great starting point, as a JRPG fan, I decided to preorder it (I'm impulsive)...thank the gods I decided to play the demo........preorder CANCELLED

Here's the main points

1. Graphic is 2010 at BEST. You can see it looks pretty bad compared to other JRPG titles

2. Gameplay is reminescent of PS1 Tomb Rider. Fixed animation and movement, camera...it just gives you the feeling of a very old game..and not vintage, just bad

3. The combat system is a mix of Turn based like standard JRPG and Action combat, taking the worst of both worlds. Turn based means you're in front of an enemy in a small space. Action means you can move around. Here you can move around in a tight round space around the enemies. Feels bad. FF VII does this A LOT better, giving you space to move around. Or like ATLUS games they could just leave Turn Based combat

4. 2010 hardware. No widescreen support. I changed graphic settings from Standard to High 0 difference. 60-120 FPS, that is partially good, but the graphic is so bad won't help

5. The devs candidly admitted they changed the character design to please more the western audience. While they do not look bad , you miss a lot of the "sexy", and cute stuff you're used to see in JRPG


These points may look like small things to some, but when you start to add them all up.......I think this game is GREAT if you're used to Switch graphic and are a long time fan of the series......but...

If, like me, you're a new player, don't know the story, don't have any particular feeling towrad it.......it is very hard to justify these points..especially poin 6

Where is point 6???...here it is

6. 70, 80, 120 EUR GAME? ARE YOU CRAZY??..For the gamplay and graphic i think 40 will be on the high side, maybe 25-30 acceptable.......70 is NO THANK YOU

[TrivialPawn]

The camera felt awful for me on controller. I don't know if it's a deadzone issue or what but even at 10 sensitivity the camera felt like it was stuck in the mud and almost looked juddery. I also didn't like the combat really at all, this weird hybrid there going for just doesn't work in my opinion, having to wait for skills to cool down REALLY breaks up the flow of the action. The First Berserker: Khazan comes out next week so I'm just going to pick that up instead, I had alot more fun with the demo for that game and it's also 10 dollars less than this overpriced ps3 era looking game.

[Craga]

God you sound like a child. Who cares about graphics in a game like this? and you're seriously complaining that you basically cant jack off to some pixel boobs like you usually can? sad af lol

[acewing]

When people say a game is good for newcomers, it just means that you don't need any knowledge about the previous games in the series. None of your big wall of text is relevant to that

That said, I do agree that the "AAA" pricing makes no sense for this game

[Ryuukaze]

Anyone that describes something as "PS1 Tomb Raider" should go back and play that. This is *nothing* like that.

[Visi]

Originally posted by Craga:

God you sound like a child. Who cares about graphics in a game like this? and you're seriously complaining that you basically cant jack off to some pixel boobs like you usually can? sad af lol

In regards to graphics, it's not like they DON'T matter. I don't care about graphical fidelity, I care more about art direction than raw texture resolution or some fancy shaders or whatever -- but it is... not great in this game. It's genuinely unreadable sometimes, very blurry in general.

[Kyota]

Originally posted by Craga:

God you sound like a child. Who cares about graphics in a game like this? and you're seriously complaining that you basically cant jack off to some pixel boobs like you usually can? sad af lol

I care, so your argument is already invalidated.

As for the second part of your comment. Quit projecting and get help.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Craga:

God you sound like a child. Who cares about graphics in a game like this? and you're seriously complaining that you basically cant jack off to some pixel boobs like you usually can? sad af lol

No, we sound like responsible adults who attach value to their money.

These are not $70 graphics.

If a company wants to charge a premium price for their game, that comes with certain expectations. This 70 dollar price tag puts it in the same league as games like Kingdom Come 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds.

If this game were 40, 50 or 'maybe' even 60, then fine, we can start to excuse the graphics, but not at this price point. Sorry.

[MuYuri]

Originally posted by Craga:

God you sound like a child. Who cares about graphics in a game like this? and you're seriously complaining that you basically cant jack off to some pixel boobs like you usually can? sad af lol

Rich coming from a furry. Criticism exists because If you accept low quality ♥♥♥♥ up your ass it'll only enable them to create more ♥♥♥♥ down the road.

[Apples4Holo]

Hmmm...

1. I disagree, they feel more like late PS4 era graphics to me. Not bad, but they could be a lot better.

2. I agree about the camera, but what do you mean by "fixed animation and movement"?

3. This is subjective, I enjoyed the combat system.

4. I wouldn't say it's 2010 era, but yeah no wide screen is disappointing.

5. I also feel that this is subjective, I like the character designs. Yumia's especially.

6. This is just how much some games cost these days, It sucks but it's not gonna change. Also no one is forcing you to buy the more expensive versions. It's just cosmetics, and I'm sure that people will make outfit mods eventually.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Apples4Holo:

6. This is just how much some games cost these days, It sucks but it's not gonna change. Also no one is forcing you to buy the more expensive versions. It's just cosmetics, and I'm sure that people will make outfit mods eventually.

No, it's how much AAA/High End games cost.

The 70 dollar price point puts Atelier in the same price range as Kingdom Come 2, Dynasty Warriors: Origins, and Monster Hunter Wilds.

Obviously, no one is expecting Kingdom Come 2 level graphics from an anime game, but we're also not expecting blurry textures and low-rez terrain.

For the same price, you can get Monster Hunter Wilds, and Wilds is not out there with blurry graphics and muddy terrain textures. Meanwhile, Dynasty Warriors: Origins looks fantastic. Yes, they are different genres, but we're talking price.

Regardless of the genre, these are not 70 dollar graphics.

Edit: Just checked, and this game is 10 dollars more expensive than Kingdom Come 2. That is indefensible.

[Apples4Holo]

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

Originally posted by Apples4Holo:

6. This is just how much some games cost these days, It sucks but it's not gonna change. Also no one is forcing you to buy the more expensive versions. It's just cosmetics, and I'm sure that people will make outfit mods eventually.

No, it's how much AAA/High End games cost.

The 70 dollar price point puts Atelier in the same price range as Kingdom Come 2. Obviously, no one is expecting Kingdom Come 2 level graphics from an anime game, but we're also not expecting blurry textures and the like.

Regardless of the genre, these are not 70 dollar graphics.

I mean a game like this would have been $60 before the $10(or whatever in your currency) increase, not that much of a difference. The Ryza trilogy was released at $60 per game.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Apples4Holo:

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

No, it's how much AAA/High End games cost.

The 70 dollar price point puts Atelier in the same price range as Kingdom Come 2. Obviously, no one is expecting Kingdom Come 2 level graphics from an anime game, but we're also not expecting blurry textures and the like.

Regardless of the genre, these are not 70 dollar graphics.

I mean a game like this would have been $60 before the $10(or whatever in your currency) increase, not that much of a difference. The Ryza trilogy was released at $60 per game.

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about with "a game like this."

In US Dollars, 70 is the current going rate for AAA/High End games.

Price Comparison:
- Monster Hunter Wilds: 70
- Dynasty Warriors: Origins: 70
- Kingdom Come Deliverance 2: 60

Yumia's price point puts it in the same price range as these recent high end titles.

I'm sorry, but Yumia does not warrant a 70 dollar price tag with its muddy, last gen textures.

[Apples4Holo]

And I disagree. For me it's gameplay over graphics in JRPGs.
I had a lot of fun playing the demo, and the graphics didn't bother me that bad.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Apples4Holo:

And I disagree. For me it's gameplay over graphics in these kind of games.
I had a lot of fun playing the demo, and the graphics didn't bother me that bad.

You are free to disagree, but comparisons between similarly priced products within the same industry are unavoidable.

I do not want to pay premium price for graphics that look 10+ years out of date - especially when games from the SAME PUBLISHER look fantastic - at the same (or even lower) price point.

If the devs cut corners on graphics, why haven't they passed those cut corners onto the consumers? Charge a premium price, give a premium product - and graphics are part of this product.

[Apples4Holo]

That is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have. Something that's not worth it to you might be worth it to others. I would also like the graphics to be better, but to me they are fine. Not the best but not the worst.