So, about Backer Exclusive stuff...

[Tsuki Zero]

Why not do like La-Mulana 2 did and make non-backers earn it via effort while backers simply get it the easy way insted?

[Rex Iudaeorum]

Because ♥♥♥♥ you.

[Silvador]

Because that would defeat the purpose of rewarding the backers who supported this project from the beginning.

[Tsuki Zero]

Originally posted by Rex Iudaeorum:

Because ♥♥♥♥ you.

Dude, that's freaking rude.

Originally posted by Silvador:

Because that would defeat the purpose of rewarding the backers who supported this project from the beginning.

Not quite. Look at La-Mulana 2, backers of it gets up to FOUR Costume Keys from the get-go, no need to find the (in some cases cryptic) means to get the keys, while non-backers have to earn it by Visiting Nebur 40 times (no need for purchases), Completing the Glossary (except for the 19th entry in Main Characters since it is bugged), Getting All Items (exception being the unlockable costumes and Ankh Jewels), Beating the Game.

So, take my idea as an example: Backers could get it all by just using their email as usual, but non-backers? There could be the Castlevania approach with beating Boss Rush to get them, or the La-Mulana 2 approach where you have to achieve something.

It won't defeat the purpose of rewarding backers, it will defeat the purpose of having them dummied out for non-backers, plus kickstarter can be considered a sort of "limited edition" paywall or microtransaction, where if you didn't pay for it back then, GG, you lose it and these files in game will stay here to taunt you over it.

And in a game with an already small inventory, the "few" backer items makes a HUGE difference.

Oh, another thing I don't like: Backers on their high horses, thinking "I paid for it before release so I deserve it and you don't". It's bad, ya know, to think of oneself being the elite and the rest plebian.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Tsukiyomaru Zero:

Not quite. Look at La-Mulana 2, backers of it gets up to FOUR Costume Keys from the get-go, no need to find the (in some cases cryptic) means to get the keys, while non-backers have to earn it by Visiting Nebur 40 times (no need for purchases), Completing the Glossary (except for the 19th entry in Main Characters since it is bugged), Getting All Items (exception being the unlockable costumes and Ankh Jewels), Beating the Game.

So, take my idea as an example: Backers could get it all by just using their email as usual, but non-backers? There could be the Castlevania approach with beating Boss Rush to get them, or the La-Mulana 2 approach where you have to achieve something.

It won't defeat the purpose of rewarding backers, it will defeat the purpose of having them dummied out for non-backers, plus kickstarter can be considered a sort of "limited edition" paywall or microtransaction, where if you didn't pay for it back then, GG, you lose it and these files in game will stay here to taunt you over it.

And in a game with an already small inventory, the "few" backer items makes a HUGE difference.

Oh, another thing I don't like: Backers on their high horses, thinking "I paid for it before release so I deserve it and you don't". It's bad, ya know, to think of oneself being the elite and the rest plebian.

Totally agree. For another example, look at Mercenary Kings. Game has an achievement for Kickstarter backers at launch. Devs later patched the game and added a method to unlock the achievement, specifically going to a hidden character and paying them a sum of in game money.

EDIT: Additionally, as someone who backed La Mulana 2 and got all 4 of the costume keys, I'd feel terrible if others couldn't get access to the costumes because they couldn't, for one reason or another, put money down on the kickstarter campaign.

[Silvador]

How about No.

Just no.

We, the backers, put our faith into the team and gave of ourselves so that these people could bring fruition to a dream they had. For our support we were rewarded. These are GIFTS given to us as thanks for our assitance and patience.

GTFO you entitled, ungrateful @#!$.

[Tsuki Zero]

Silvador, get off your high horse, will ya?

Also, you are more entitled than I am. I am presenting a solution for both sides basing on what another kickstarted game has done, and you are showing how bad backers can be.

: )

[Silvador]

This is not that kickstarter, nor is this that game. If you want backer exclusive things, go back in time and be a backer.

What did you do to deserve these rewards? Nothing. Giving them out all willy nilly to any Tom, ♥♥♥♥ or Harry that wants them detracts from the value of what they are at the basist level.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Silvador:

This is not that kickstarter, nor is this that game. If you want backer exclusive things, go back in time and be a backer.

What did you do to deserve these rewards? Nothing. Giving them out all willy nilly to any Tom, ♥♥♥♥ or Harry that wants them detracts from the value of what they are at the basist level.

"Go back in time and be a backer." OK now give me an option that isn't snarky and sarcastic.

Look, fact of the matter is, you're making an ass out of yourself by throwing a temper tantrum over sharing content with others who have done just as much as you did in terms of supporting the game. We all bought the game, you just did it early. Does that mean you should get the items right away? Sure. Does that mean you should be the only one to get the items? Not necessarily.

It's very simple, just lock the items (for non-backers) behind a gate of some sort. Make players earn it rather than have it from the start. I don't think we're asking the world for it.

But really, in the end, it's not up to you to decide if this happens or not, nor is it mine or Tsukiyomaru's. Bit Kid will have the final say on this. Let's all be adults about this, alright?

[Rex Iudaeorum]

Originally posted by Justin:

Originally posted by Silvador:

This is not that kickstarter, nor is this that game. If you want backer exclusive things, go back in time and be a backer.

What did you do to deserve these rewards? Nothing. Giving them out all willy nilly to any Tom, ♥♥♥♥ or Harry that wants them detracts from the value of what they are at the basist level.

"Go back in time and be a backer." OK now give me an option that isn't snarky and sarcastic.

Look, fact of the matter is, you're making an ass out of yourself by throwing a temper tantrum over sharing content with others who have done just as much as you did in terms of supporting the game. We all bought the game, you just did it early. Does that mean you should get the items right away? Sure. Does that mean you should be the only one to get the items? Not necessarily.

It's very simple, just lock the items (for non-backers) behind a gate of some sort. Make players earn it rather than have it from the start. I don't think we're asking the world for it.

But really, in the end, it's not up to you to decide if this happens or not, nor is it mine or Tsukiyomaru's. Bit Kid will have the final say on this. Let's all be adults about this, alright?

No.

[Tsuki Zero]

Originally posted by Rex Iudaeorum:

No.

Please keep your Backer Elitism for yourself or leave. The door is over there.

[AliceEngine]

Because there are bitter people whose joy of having those items doesn't come from owning them, but you not owning them.

[Rex Iudaeorum]

Originally posted by Tsukiyomaru Zero:

Originally posted by Rex Iudaeorum:

No.

Please keep your Backer Elitism for yourself or leave. The door is over there.

Are you mentally challenged?

I don't even own the game. i got a refund because it sucked ass.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Rex Iudaeorum:

Originally posted by Tsukiyomaru Zero:

Please keep your Backer Elitism for yourself or leave. The door is over there.

Are you mentally challenged?

I don't even own the game. i got a refund because it sucked ass.

Then why are you even here? Why did you come into this thread in the first place if you didn't back the game and refunded it as well?

[[+] hadji]

You shouldn't get them if you did not back the game, as they are "backer rewards."

Does that mean you should be the only one to get the items?

Yes. Only a backer should get a backer's rewards.

...who have done just as much as you did in terms of supporting the game.

In fact, no. Those who backed the game on kickstarter did, in fact, do more by providing funding vs. those who purchased the game. Backers do not buy the game, the provide investment funding. Funding used by the dev to allow creation of said game, where there may have been inadequate funding to begin with. Or, used to expand the quality of the game. As one who purchased the game post-release, one has done neither of those two things. Feel free to drum up more examples, if you desire.

I don't understand why people who didn't support the game early (the reason is irrelevant) feel they need to have something that says "I BACKED THIS GAME ON KICKSTARTER!" That's what the in-game backer rewards are.

...just lock the items ... behind a gate of some sort.

This was already done. Some just didn't get through the gate and are unhappy about it.

I am presenting a solution for both sides basing on what another kickstarted game has done, and you are showing how bad backers can be.

Providing backer-exclusive content to those who did not back the game is not a solution. It is changing "backer-exclusive content" to "non-backer-exclusive content." This type of "solution" diminishes the drive of those kickstarting, as why bother kickstarting for these rewards when one can just get them for free anyhow?

Additionally, stating that those who did not meet a requirement should not receive what was offered for meeting the requirement is not being a "bad backer". It is simply restating the criteria that was given by the dev. The rules, if you will. Are some more polite about it than others? Certainly, but that's true of just about anything.

Backers on their high horses, thinking "I paid for it before release so I deserve it and you don't". It's bad, ya know, to think of oneself being the elite and the rest plebian.

There is no high horse. Backers are not stating "I paid for it before release so I deserve it and you don't." They made an investment, and are being given a specific reward based on that investment.

This is like ordering a hamburger and being upset when there is no slice of cheese, because this guy over here ordered a cheeseburger and has cheese on his. The cheeseburger is no longer on the menu. Just like being a backer and getting exclusive backer rewards.

[Tsuki Zero]

Originally posted by + hadji:

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Simple problem: the backer items are IN THE GAME, they can be cheated in or hacked in. Also, remember:

• Some people are iffy about Kickstarter and don't back because of it
  
• Some people WANTED to back but could not, neither before nor after
  
• Kickstarter is to show SUPPORT for a project, not for those who want to fan their tail open like a peafowl after it's done and say "I deserve this recognition you plebian scrub!"
  
• Other developers handled the issue well, by making things easier for backers and allowing non-backers to achieve it in game via effort.
  
• Your comparison is all wrong specially from a BUSINESS STANDPOINT. The cheeseburger event would correctly be dealt with by simply apologizing to the customer and providing a cheeseburger OR claiming that the cheeseburger is not theirs and the guy brought it in from another fast food.
  
• Also, being a backer isn't the only way to show SUPPORT, feedback is ALSO SUPPORT, which is what I had been doing. Plus, unlike some people, I'm being patient, although I DO confess I attempted a refund ONCE (it flopped due to play time, FYI), but since it didn't go and I saw Bit Kid has been putting effort in improving, I decided to stick with it and give some of my feedback, and this is not the first feedback FYI. See backdash, Class Mode palette swaps.
  
• This is not something you has any control over, Bit Kid will have the final say in this.

Also this reminds me: Some games in the past, near past and present have had the whole "pre-order bonus" turned into late DLC or outright built back into the game and hidden behind a quest for those who missed the chance, with the difference that pre-ordering was cheaper and easier and didn't come with an achievement.