What am I doing wrong?

[karzoug]

I feel stupid for posting this at all, but I'm evaluating the free version of the game before I consider buying it on sale. I've never been great at fighting games, but I was encouraged by what looks to be a robust tutorial.

So, I get to tutorial 2.7, which is chain moves. The instructions say to perform PP->PK.

Should be simple right? (and it bugs me that I'm posting about the most basic stuff in the tutotial)

I swear I spent about 45 minutes just trying to execute this chain. I'm staring right at my move output and it looks right. I'm doing it reasonably fast. Yet, it won't recognize that I performed the move correctly. I practice some more to no available.

So I come to the conclusion that I'm either lame, or there is something wrong with the game (which means I should not bother to buy it). I'm using an XBox 360 Controller.

Anybody got any insights? Something I don't know?

[Stationary Traveller]

Can you show a screenshot of your inputs?
You have to press forward+P at the same time if you aren't doing that.

[karzoug]

Sure, I have to take a break, but I'll post one in a little bit. Thanks!

[karzoug]

@ Moonmadness,

As requested. I appreciate you takin a look.

This is how I was doing it:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=861864869

At your suggestion, I also tried this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=861863690

I can't do a clip, so you'll have to take at given that I did it fairly quickly.

Thanks again!

[Stationary Traveller]

As I expected, you were not pressing forward and P together but just forward and then P. Your d-pad shouldn't return to neutral after pressing forward.
Also you can literally press the buttons one after the other and still get the combo. If you're not getting it then try just doing P, P, f+P, K in one single movement.

[Joe]

I did the exact same thing a moment ago, in the same place in the tutorial. The buttons can show that you pressed them in the proper sequence, but if your timing is off, the combo won't execute. In this one, make sure you hold the FORWARD button down while you press P and then K, but ... here's the key: hit P then K in rapid succession, about as fast as you can. Literally like, "ba dum!" if that makes sense. Let me know if you get it.

[karzoug]

I did get it! A couple times. I practiced quite a bit and found myself frustrated with how sensitive the X-Box 360 D-Pad is. So, I googled to see if anybody else had this issue and..WOW.. I'm not alone. This is probably old news to you guys, but I never play fighting games. I'm totally new to them. So any games I was playing work just fine.

Anyway, I did get the chain to work. The game is not bugged. I just have to decide how much I want to play fighting games that I want to go look for a new controller. I did some searches and I'm not finding much that isn't pricy.

[Gao Li]

The [directional input] then [attack] button moves take a bit ofadjustment in this game, so don't worry about it. It's not your controller. Basically use this rhythm for your combo
ⓅⓅ→ⓅⓀ
♩♩♫♩
The →Ⓟ is comparable to playing two eighth notes (♫).

[Stationary Traveller]

Yeah it is definitely easier on a stick because the buttons are much more sensitive. Either you get a fightpad/DS4 pad or you have to go stick which is usually expensive. You might find some cheaper ones on craigslist, just make sure that they all have Sanwa parts.
I made the switch to stick a while ago and I never turned back. If you want to invest yourself in fighting games it is the best choice imho. But you shouldn't buy it if you plan only on playing DOA5 since it's pretty much a dead game.

Originally posted by Gao Li:

The [directional input] then [attack] button moves take a bit ofadjustment in this game, so don't worry about it. It's not your controller. Basically use this rhythm for your combo
ⓅⓅ→ⓅⓀ
♩♩♫♩
The →Ⓟ is comparable to playing two eighth notes (♫).

There's no need of rhythm, you can just mash the sequence and it will come out. In many cases you have to mash it or it won't work.

[Gao Li]

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

Yeah it is definitely easier on a stick because the buttons are much more sensitive. Either you get a fightpad/DS4 pad or you have to go stick which is usually expensive.

That is completely untrue. I play this game on PC with gamepad, fightstick, or keyboard. There is no need to buy any peripheral to play this game. Just use the setup you have at home.

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

But you shouldn't buy it if you plan only on playing DOA5 since it's pretty much a dead game.

I get online matches everytime.

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

Originally posted by Gao Li:

The [directional input] then [attack] button moves take a bit ofadjustment in this game, so don't worry about it. It's not your controller. Basically use this rhythm for your combo
ⓅⓅ→ⓅⓀ
♩♩♫♩
The →Ⓟ is comparable to playing two eighth notes (♫).

There's no need of rhythm, you can just mash the sequence and it will come out. In many cases you have to mash it or it won't work.

Three things, it's an image to help imagine what to do as many people have had basic musical education in school. Secondly, humans do everything in a certain rhythm, it's especially noticable when observing children doing sports. It's still observable, though less noticable with professional athletes. Thirdly, no, no you don't need to mash buttons for this combo. I don't. I did the tutorial and the command training and the majority of the combo challenges and have played all single player content and have played online with the three aforementioned input methods.

However, for casual players, Dead or Alive 5 Last Round has the advantage that your character "still does stuff" when you button mash. This is different from other games like Street Fighter where you have to know what you're doing before your character does something cool.

With that, say that you want to do more, like, really get into the game do ranked matches, whatever, then it has more advanced button inputs and mechanics for you without becoming as convoluted as some other games out there. All in all, DoA5LR's mechanics are very casual player friendly, which makes it ideal for when you just want to have a good time with your buddies and play it on your couch

[Stationary Traveller]

Originally posted by Gao Li:

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

Yeah it is definitely easier on a stick because the buttons are much more sensitive. Either you get a fightpad/DS4 pad or you have to go stick which is usually expensive.

That is completely untrue. I play this game on PC with gamepad, fightstick, or keyboard. There is no need to buy any peripheral to play this game. Just use the setup you have at home.

You can virtually play on any peripheral, but sticks and keyboard are the most responsive ones, that's a fact. 360 controller in particular is clearly not built for fighting games.

Originally posted by Gao Li:

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

But you shouldn't buy it if you plan only on playing DOA5 since it's pretty much a dead game.

I get online matches everytime.

Where are you located? In Europe I only get one match every 20 minutes at best on fight request because everyone leaves it turned on even if they don't want to fight, and most of the time I get the same dude over and over. Maybe you don't play many fighting games, but I can assure you this is exactly what happens when a game is dead.

Originally posted by Gao Li:

Thirdly, no, no you don't need to mash buttons for this combo. I don't. I did the tutorial and the command training and the majority of the combo challenges and have played all single player content and have played online with the three aforementioned input methods.

I said some combos require mashing, not all of them, and they will all work through mashing except a few ones like the combo throws.
The rest is worthless tbh.

[Gao Li]

Parce que tu parles Français, je pense que tu j'habite en France, le Suisse, ou la Belgique, non? Si je suis toi je joue après l'école jusqu'à 20 heures (HNEC).

Other than that, if you watch Dead or Alive tournament streams, on sites like Twitch, or reuploads, on pages like YouTube, you'll find players tend to use controllers and not fight sticks and yes, you'll also see tournament players with 360 controllers as well. Unlike games like Street Fighter, DoA can comfortably be played on gamepads like the 360 gamepad, hence why tournament players use those. If you don't believe me there are several DoA tournament players in this forum that you can ask, one of them even a Franco-Swiss player.

If you want to play a game casually, there is also no need to buy peripherals. That's just asinine and counterproductive. Keyboards are fine, 360 controller is fine, sticks or hitboxes are fine. So, no, you don't need to buy anything to play anything. Telling others they need this or that for whichever reason is never a good idea, because others don't have to do anything. They play games in their free time as a hobby. And no, moves don't require button mashing, but the character will still perform combos if you mash buttons.

[karzoug]

Hey guys! I just took a break and came back and really practiced for awhile. There is a certain rhythm to it. I also actually had more luck using the stick on the 360 controller than the D-Pad. I thought the stick would have to be harder, but it wasn't.

Anyway, I got past it. I just had to get the flow. For now I'm not going to buy any special controller. I'll just keep practicing until it becomes comfortable. I'm definitely casual, but I wouldn't mind becoming proficient.

[Stationary Traveller]

I specifically said that a new controller would be a better option only if he wants to get serious about it. I don't get why you're repeating the same thing unless you're unable to read.

Moves like Hayabusa's H+KKK require you to press the buttons rapidly if you want to get the combo, so there are definitely combos with a very strict timing. Other ones allow you to delay buttons. There's no universal rule, except that you can always mash when something doesn't come out.

[Gao Li]

Originally posted by karzoug:

Hey guys! I just took a break and came back and really practiced for awhile. There is a certain rhythm to it. I also actually had more luck using the stick on the 360 controller than the D-Pad. I thought the stick would have to be harder, but it wasn't.

Anyway, I got past it. I just had to get the flow. For now I'm not going to buy any special controller. I'll just keep practicing until it becomes comfortable. I'm definitely casual, but I wouldn't mind becoming proficient.

Glad you were able to work it out. Yeah, in this game in particular, using the analog stick is a great option and there's no need to buy a special controller for this one; what's important is that you have fun playing.

Now, although not necessary, if, at any point, you feel that you want to learn more about the mechanics, there are proficient players that participate in this forum from time to time that you can ask. There are also well done tutorials by EMPERORC0W on YouTube, which were done in collaboration with several players that regularly participate in Dead or Alive tournaments. There's also a site called freestepdodge, which is dedicated to Dead or Alive; any questions you have regarding how to play, how to do certain things, and community events can be asked there as well.

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

I specifically said that a new controller would be a better option only if he wants to get serious about it.

And I told you that there is no need for that. Look at the various recordings from tournaments on different video platforms. Why do you keep on talking about things that are obviously unnecessary for this game? This one is different from some 2D fighting games.

The player had a question regarding a combo, an answer was given and that should be that. If you don't believe me, there: http://imgur.com/a/DBctL

Long story short. Cut it out.

[Stationary Traveller]

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

I made the switch to stick a while ago and I never turned back. If you want to invest yourself in fighting games it is the best choice imho. But you shouldn't buy it if you plan only on playing DOA5

This is my first post. Now shut the f*ck up, would you.