Elder Blank vs Stuffed Star

[Plaguelight]

Which of these is feasibly better than the other? I keep going back and forth with it, and Elder Blank seems like the better choice, as it gets rid of all projectiles for a while, but the star allows you to pump out damage without worry for a second or two...

Thoughts? Opinions?

[Carrier Pidgeons]

An elder blank is a less useful blank roughly 2-3 times per boss (and let's not even mention the curse that comes with it), whereas the Stuffed Star is roughly 7 or so seconds where you can just unload on the boss free from damage with sonewhere around 1-1.5x the recharge.

Personally, the fact that regular blanks can be used mid-dodgeroll (such as when you KNOW you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up) whereas the Elder Blank cannot be is pretty killer for its usability. The star, on the other hand, has a few neat synergies I've heard of and allows for a breather in an intense fight, to say nothing of the potential health saved.

I'd side with the star.

[Tato]

Also, you can (could?) walk behind wallmonger using the star, so +1 for the star.

[Plaguelight]

Dasky の投稿を引用：

Also, you can (could?) walk behind wallmonger using the star, so +1 for the star.

Wait, seriously? Does that prevent the inevitable doom of when the Wall reaches the bottom of the room or just provides a safe spot to attack it from?

[Tato]

Plaguelight の投稿を引用：

Dasky の投稿を引用：

Also, you can (could?) walk behind wallmonger using the star, so +1 for the star.

Wait, seriously? Does that prevent the inevitable doom of when the Wall reaches the bottom of the room or just provides a safe spot to attack it from?

I think you're completely unhittable once you're behind it.

[Plaguelight]

Dasky の投稿を引用：

Plaguelight の投稿を引用：

Wait, seriously? Does that prevent the inevitable doom of when the Wall reaches the bottom of the room or just provides a safe spot to attack it from?

I think you're completely unhittable once you're behind it.

Wow. I will have to try this out, if I ever get the combination in a run.

[Mito Drium]

Has anyone tried teleporting behind Wallmonger with Bloodied Scarf? I haven't met Monger on any Scarf runs yet.

[AnemoneMeer]

Going to have to give it to the Elder Blank. Stuffed Star is stronger on its own but Elder Blank has a thousand more synergies. Ammolets. Ring of Triggers. Potion of Gun Friendship (Makes it charge super fast).

Elder blank, as one of the fastest charging sub items in the game, and a useful screen clear, is just a murder factory once you get items that sync with it. Ring of triggers + disintegerator + elder blank is literal invincibility and infinite boss clear without actually using ammo.

[Oberic]

I'd honestly go with the star nearly every time.
Last time it should up for me, I was the Pilot and already had potion of lead skin.

I won the run pretty easily after getting both. :P

[Milk]

BoD MitoDrium の投稿を引用：

Has anyone tried teleporting behind Wallmonger with Bloodied Scarf? I haven't met Monger on any Scarf runs yet.

That just ends with you getting stuck on wallmonger. You can still get behind him, but you will have to get hit a couple times.

[maDEMOman]

lead Skin, It reflects projectiles back. much better then star.

Dasky の投稿を引用：

Plaguelight の投稿を引用：

Wait, seriously? Does that prevent the inevitable doom of when the Wall reaches the bottom of the room or just provides a safe spot to attack it from?

I think you're completely unhittable once you're behind it.

lol. you really dont kill him before you reach the bottom?

[Plaguelight]

Maddyo_Swan の投稿を引用：

lead Skin, It reflects projectiles back. much better then star.

Dasky の投稿を引用：

I think you're completely unhittable once you're behind it.

lol. you really dont kill him before you reach the bottom?

Only ever fought him twice, the first time I had less than enough health to survive.

It's not about whether you can kill him before it reaches the bottom, just curious if you could potentially sit there, behind him, and let him go to the bottom without consequences. It'd be funny to just watch the Wall stuck there, unable to do anything anymore.

[ergo]

Definitely the Star. The blank synergies are great, but you hardly ever get more than one, and the benefits you get from the Elder Blank on regular rooms are miniscule compared to the Star's carry on boss fights.