Terrible Key Drop Rate

[~tilde~sWINton~]

I've played the game for about 20 hours now, and I have to say the amount of keys that drop is abysmal. I sometimes find that on the second level, the merchant is behind a locked door, no keys drop (once I even had the extra key drop beret), so I'm forced to shoot the item chests and get nothing.

Why have a game with so many awesome guns that I can never find, let alone gather ammo for (ammo drops are just as bad)? I get that this game is supposed to be hard, but this just doesn't feel fun, and it makes me lose interest in a run when there's 5 things to spend keys on and no keys.

TL;DR - More key drops PLEASE

[Entropie]

I now that feeling.

One way to mitigate is to use the pilots lockpick item for a 50% chance to unlock a chest (though it will be jammed on failiure)

Also try to prioritise better chests, don't use you last key lightly and consider that brown chests are not really worth the key (so just lockpick them unless you have a lot of keys)

[Toph]

Originally posted by Entropie:

Also try to prioritise better chests, don't use you last key lightly and consider that brown chests are not really worth the key (so just lockpick them unless you have a lot of keys)

Good advice here.

Also, the shop will always carry a key(s) if you haven't picked up any previously to finding the shop.

It doesn't matter if a key drops from clearing a room, as long as you don't actually pick it up, the shop will still follow this rule. So, don't pick up keys when they drop until you find the shop. The rat doesn't steal keys, don't worry about leaving them behind.

[Vultan]

Ammo should not be a problem on level 1-2. There u use the starter gun except vs boss or if a room is fubared. Ofc if u find 2-3 guns u can always use one + the starter to clear rooms.

You must have been unlucky with locked shops, but it happens. Save 1 key untill you know you can get into the shop. Dont unlock low-tier chests untill all the rooms/chests have been found. Then you make the call on what chests to open.

Also, the most awesome guns and items usually dont drop from brown chests. So skip them or use lock pick (unless its lvl 1 and u feel you need a gun)

[fudeu]

Brown chests are pretty worthwhile, they contain basic but very powerful items, like Cog of Battle, Lichy Trigger Finger, Double Vision, Potion of Lead Skin, Decoy, Backpack, Ammo Pouches etc.

Ironically enough, after playing as much as I've played and despite knowing that Brown chests are the lowest tier, I find that they drop better (not rarer) stuff than blue ones in general.

If you want to maximize keys, you can squeeze a few more keys every run by not picking up keys if they drop before you visit the shop. If you don't pick them up, the shop will be forced to have at least one key in it for sale.

[srsface]

fu.deu has the gist of it. (wtf your name is bleeped out on steam forums. is it a swear word in another language?)

R.R. doesn't take keys. The Shopkeeper guarantees to hold at least one key if you haven't picked one up yet. You can leave them on the floor until you find the shop and buy one, and then boom: you can open both on any given floor.

If you're not getting hit that often and getting master chambers on bosses, you'll be rolling around in casings. SO MANY casings, you guys.

[fudeu]

Originally posted by srs face:

fu.deu has the gist of it. (wtf your name is bleeped out on steam forums. is it a swear word in another language?)

It means something along the lines of "Oh shi.t!" or "I'm screwed", as per the picture. It's kind of a curse word, but it's not really offensive out of context. Probably bleeped out for kids, more than for offensive potential.

[Cobra]

Originally posted by Toph:

Originally posted by Entropie:

Also try to prioritise better chests, don't use you last key lightly and consider that brown chests are not really worth the key (so just lockpick them unless you have a lot of keys)

Good advice here.

Also, the shop will always carry a key(s) if you haven't picked up any previously to finding the shop.

It doesn't matter if a key drops from clearing a room, as long as you don't actually pick it up, the shop will still follow this rule. So, don't pick up keys when they drop until you find the shop. The rat doesn't steal keys, don't worry about leaving them behind.

I understand this mechanic of the game, but lately, although no keys dropped for the entire floor, and none dropped from the boss, i was unable to enter the locked shop to buy a key and possibly some guns or passives. Also, this made it so I couldn't even open the black or green chests on the floor. So the devs need to fix this issue where no keys will drop on an entire floor and none will drop on the boss. Two suggestions I have is to either make it so at least one kill will always drop from a boss, or to make it so that if no keys are dropped from an entire floor, the shop will always become unlocked. (With the second suggestion, if you have already found the shop before exploring the entire floor, it could be locked, but if no keys drop once you have explored the entire floor, it automatically becomes unlocked, if you haven't opened it yet).