Drunkard discussion

[Han Slowbro]

So the fish guy in the breech says something interesting about the kill pillars, "at the end did you see her, I can see in your eyes that you did, know this; she is behind most of this" any thoughts?

[Carrier Pidgeons]

Kaliber, I believe.

[srsface]

Kaliber, or the Gunsmith. Who might be one and the same person.

[Carrier Pidgeons]

Originally posted by srs face:

Kaliber, or the Gunsmith. Who might be one and the same person.

I doubt it.

Kaliber seems like a bit of a pain in the ass.
Gunsmith the decent sort.

Have you read her dialogue?

[fudeu]

He's refering to Cadence's sister in the forge. If you talk to her after assembling the bullet and ask her why she's there, she'll give some plot background. Dunno what the guys dialogue you're talking about has to do with the other thing he says about the Kill Pillars, though.

[w00se]

I would agree it is probably talking about Kaliber, she who grips the seven sidearms in her hands and walks among the six loaded chambers.
More specifically the multiarmed form of the final statue. Further backed up by that sprite being used in the old king's chamber on either side of where he starts. Seems to make sense that a king/demigod would have statues of his god in his throne room.

[Carrier Pidgeons]

I wonder if we can kill the pasts of others. By the way if you have (spoilers) killed the final boss , then I have to ask..

Is the person they onced worked for the now-lich, or someone else? It could swing either as him being corrupted by Kaliber or just a dark magician, or literally just some random monster (though the monster seems sentient).

I wonder if in a later update it will become possible to go back and learn what exactly happened and possibly change it, saving Cadence. Blacksmith is too integral and doomed herself by paradox, and it seems like she'd try to get her sister out at any cost anyway.

Regardless, taking on Kaliber is definitely what I want for the TRUE Final Boss.

[w00se]

Originally posted by Carrier Pidgeons:

I wonder if we can kill the pasts of others. By the way if you have (spoilers) killed the final boss, then I have to ask..

Is the person they onced worked for the now-lich, or someone else? It could swing either as him being corrupted by Kaliber or just a dark magician, or literally just some random monster (though the monster seems sentient).

I wonder if in a later update it will become possible to go back and learn what exactly happened and possibly change it, saving Cadence. Blacksmith is too integral and doomed herself by paradox.

We can be fairly certain that "she is behind much of this" isn't talking about the Lich due to his ammonomicon entry reffering to him as male. It is still possible that the Lich is being referenced in the Kill Pillars ammonomicon entry but it seem like it would be a strange choice to talk about them having two different people pulling the strings for one boss. Certainly a possibility though.

[Carrier Pidgeons]

I meant her turning him into the lich or something. "He" was the master of the dungeon they spoke of and "she" being Kaliber. It would still make her behind all of it.

[w00se]

Originally posted by Carrier Pidgeons:

I meant her turning him into the lich or something. "He" was the master of the dungeon they spoke of and "she" being Kaliber. It would still make her behind all of it.

It seems like he became a Lich through the study of ammomancy, not through divine intervention based on the Revolvenant's entry. There is still likely some connection between him and Kaliber but I don't think we really have enough information at this time to make a solid one.

[Carrier Pidgeons]

Originally posted by w00se:

Originally posted by Carrier Pidgeons:

I meant her turning him into the lich or something. "He" was the master of the dungeon they spoke of and "she" being Kaliber. It would still make her behind all of it.

It seems like he became a Lich through the study of ammomancy, not through divine intervention based on the Revolvenant's entry. There is still likely some connection between him and Kaliber but I don't think we really have enough information at this time to make a solid one.

Well, the Sixth Chamber was one of the items that led to the creation of the Jammed, and it was an omen. Since the Lich is imprisoned there *banished to Bullet Hell* I assume that there is indeed a solid connection.