Challenge Mode tips?

[KliPeH]

I'm looking to complete Daisuke's Challenge Mode, one of my last few achievements. I've attempted it maybe 7-8 times over the past few days and had a pretty bad time. What character would you guys recommend? I'd usually play Bullet, but seeing how easy it is to lose health and nerf your starter weapon I thought maybe Pilot for a chance to get more weapons and discounts.

[no i dont wanna be bread]

ok

[KliPeH]

Originally posted by no i dont wanna be bread:

ok

Thank you.

EDIT: Yikes.

[Sthovin]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁣　KliPeH:

Originally posted by no i dont wanna be bread:

ok

Thank you.

EDIT: Yikes.

I'd consider also activating rainbow mode, usually makes for a easier run overall. Could also run Gunslinger instead of the Bullet.

EDIT: Yeah, yikes indeed

[KliPeH]

Originally posted by Sthovin:

I'd consider also activating rainbow mode, usually makes for a easier run overall. [...]

I tried doing a couple rainbow runs but just don't see the appeal. You get 80% less items per run, and there's usually no way you won't get hit at the boss for an extra chest each floor. The items are of very average quality, it is more often than not the amount of items and synergies you get in a run that wins you games, not their quality.

Basically you almost always need to pick a non-starter weapon first to be able to discover secret rooms reliably, and then you pick another item for a total of 2 non-starters, at which point the game starts getting harder and the lack of items really starts to hit you. I can't do Mines+ with just three items, no health upgrades, no nothing.

[Sthovin]

Majority of items from rainbow chests are mostly A or S tier items, there's a hidden stat in the game called Magnificence if i remember right (similar to coolness and curse) that prevents you from getting too many decent items and more than one S tier chest (black) per run whereas with rainbow mode you basically get one every floor which can end up with some OP builds. You could get clone for example, which would all but ensures a win for me. A good weapon first floor is usually enough to carry me multiple levels, but I got no issue beating the first chamber boss with a starter weapon either. This also includes hidden levels, so you could get an extra 4 rainbow chests if you visit them all for a total of 10. Sure the early levels are more difficult as you get less items overall but in the long run I find myself in a much stronger position late game.

As for finding secret rooms, they're much less important come rainbow mode as you can't even open chests inside them.

Maybe it's just my experience, I just generally find rainbow runs far easier overall and usually end up with some crazy builds if I choose the right items.

[KliPeH]

Originally posted by Sthovin:

Majority of items from rainbow chests are mostly A or S tier items, there's a hidden stat in the game called Magnificence if i remember right (similar to coolness and curse) that prevents you from getting too many decent items and more than one S tier chest (black) per run whereas with rainbow mode you basically get one every floor which can end up with some OP builds. [...]

This isn't true. Rainbow chests in rainbow runs can contain all item qualities. Source:
https://enterthegungeon.fandom.com/wiki/Chests#Rainbow_Chests

The A-S Tier modifier you're talking about only affects regular, randomly encountered rainbow chests. Either way, I managed to beat the mode by simply brute-forcing my way through it in a regular Pilot run. Thanks for the help. Cheers!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2813923054

[Sthovin]

Nice work!