There is no overall best weapon in Enter The Gungeon. Change my mind.

[The Traveler]

Some weapons are better than others in terms of stats, some weapons are better than others depending on the situation, some weapons are better than others depending on the player's playstyle.

But I don't think there is an overall best weapon.

[wafflekitty]

When dealing with guns that can single-handedly win a run, ease-of-use does become a factor.

But anyway, Gunther even does higher DPS. Gunther can dump its entire magazine in 1.5 seconds, and does 180 damage with a full magazine. Then has a 1.2 second reload. Casey does 100 damage with a fully-charged swing, takes 2 seconds to fully charge, and reloads in 1 second. Some bosses do have bullet patterns can exceed 100 damage on reflect, but don't fire these attacks regularly enough to get them exactly on CD constantly. And some bosses just don't even have that at all.

[wafflekitty]

Originally posted by QsuSanOzk:

There are maybe no best weapon in ETG, but I definetly can say that there are best item in the game — Clone.

You know, I see a lot of people loving on Clone, but I just don't think it's that great. If you already have good item, you're gonna finish the run anyway. If you die, you probably had crummy stuff and getting sent back to the beginning with that stuff isn't much of a boon. Yeah, I know you can have an amazing Clone run going and die in purpose to go around again with the same stuff, but eeeeeh, that's just playing around. That's not legitimately being an item that made a run great.

[Honorable_D]

Gonna have to say Gunther is the best gun in the game as well. Gunther wins runs like no other.

[The Traveler]

Originally posted by wafflekitty:

When dealing with guns that can single-handedly win a run, ease-of-use does become a factor.

But anyway, Gunther even does higher DPS. Gunther can dump its entire magazine in 1.5 seconds, and does 180 damage with a full magazine. Then has a 1.2 second reload. Casey does 100 damage with a fully-charged swing, takes 2 seconds to fully charge, and reloads in 1 second. Some bosses do have bullet patterns can exceed 100 damage on reflect, but don't fire these attacks regularly enough to get them exactly on CD constantly. And some bosses just don't even have that at all.

Casey can also kill multiple enemies in one swing, Casey can knock an enemy into another enemy, Casey can ambush, and one-shot an enemy. Casey also gets more out of certain items than Gunther does, like Alpha bullet, Omega bullet, Hip holster, Crisis stone.

Bosses like Wallmonger, and Ammoconda constantly fire projectiles that are grouped up together. They die very quickly to Casey.

Im not saying Casey is a direct upgrade to Gunther, but like I said, there is no best weapon. There are a lot of weapons that can do crazy powerful things that Gunther can't do.

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by TrailDash:

Originally posted by QsuSanOzk:

There are maybe no best weapon in ETG, but I definetly can say that there are best item in the game — Clone.

Seven leaf clover can get you clone, and lots of other S tier weapons, and items.

You're still bounded to key use until you end up with the Shelleton Key / AKEY-47 / Mimic Tooth Necklace. FYI

[The Traveler]

Originally posted by Dingbat:

Originally posted by TrailDash:

Seven leaf clover can get you clone, and lots of other S tier weapons, and items.

You're still bounded to key use until you end up with the Shelleton Key / AKEY-47 / Mimic Tooth Necklace. FYI

I know. And?

[wafflekitty]

Originally posted by TrailDash:

Casey can also kill multiple enemies in one swing, Casey can knock an enemy into another enemy, Casey can ambush, and one-shot an enemy. Casey also gets more out of certain items than Gunther does, like Alpha bullet, Omega bullet, Hip holster, Crisis stone.

Bosses like Wallmonger, and Ammoconda constantly fire projectiles that are grouped up together. They die very quickly to Casey.

Im not saying Casey is a direct upgrade to Gunther, but like I said, there is no best weapon. There are a lot of weapons that can do crazy powerful things that Gunther can't do.

Look man, Casey is really good. And in some few edge cases can even out-perform Gunther at certain things. But Gunther is a much more consistent winner and much easier to use. Gunther is definitely a better weapon overall. I'd bet good money that if you took pro players, and made them do a Gunther-only run and a Casey-only run, that the Gunther runs would be consistently cleaner runs.

[kone]

Gunther is dang straight the best gun in the game. Trashes regular rooms very fast and a top tier boss killer. Never have to use another gun for the rest of the run.

[The Traveler]

Originally posted by kitten exterminator:

Gunther is dang straight the best gun in the game. Trashes regular rooms very fast and a top tier boss killer. Never have to use another gun for the rest of the run.

Gunther is good at boss killing, no doubt, but its not even one of the 3 weapons that ignore dps cap.

Originally posted by wafflekitty:

Originally posted by TrailDash:

Casey can also kill multiple enemies in one swing, Casey can knock an enemy into another enemy, Casey can ambush, and one-shot an enemy. Casey also gets more out of certain items than Gunther does, like Alpha bullet, Omega bullet, Hip holster, Crisis stone.

Bosses like Wallmonger, and Ammoconda constantly fire projectiles that are grouped up together. They die very quickly to Casey.

Im not saying Casey is a direct upgrade to Gunther, but like I said, there is no best weapon. There are a lot of weapons that can do crazy powerful things that Gunther can't do.

Look man, Casey is really good. And in some few edge cases can even out-perform Gunther at certain things. But Gunther is a much more consistent winner and much easier to use. Gunther is definitely a better weapon overall. I'd bet good money that if you took pro players, and made them do a Gunther-only run and a Casey-only run, that the Gunther runs would be consistently cleaner runs.

I disagree. While Im not trying to argue that Casey is better than Gunther, Im just saying that there is no best weapon. But you turned this into a Gunther vs Casey flamewar, so screw you.

With Casey, you can hide behind walls, pop out, and instantly destroy the enemy with zero risk. With Casey, you don't have to worry about dodging shotgun kin's shots, you can just reflect them, and destroy the enemy. You can even use it to one-shot jammed blue shotgun kins if you don't have any damage boosts from passives. With Casey, you can quickly get rid of your problems you otherwise wouldn't be able to get rid of without a Casey (or any weapon that can one-shot). Sure, there are situations where it would be safer to have a gunther, but there are also plenty of situations where I wish I had a Casey.

Do you really wanna keep this going?

[A Hairy Lobster]

I think blasphemy is best in game I'd rather it over casey personally

[HBflis]

Anvillan.

[wafflekitty]

Originally posted by TrailDash:

I disagree. While Im not trying to argue that Casey is better than Gunther, Im just saying that there is no best weapon. But you turned this into a Gunther vs Casey flamewar, so screw you.

With Casey, you can hide behind walls, pop out, and instantly destroy the enemy with zero risk. With Casey, you don't have to worry about dodging shotgun kin's shots, you can just reflect them, and destroy the enemy. You can even use it to one-shot jammed blue shotgun kins if you don't have any damage boosts from passives. With Casey, you can quickly get rid of your problems you otherwise wouldn't be able to get rid of without a Casey (or any weapon that can one-shot). Sure, there are situations where it would be safer to have a gunther, but there are also plenty of situations where I wish I had a Casey.

Do you really wanna keep this going?

Whoa now, why are you resorting to phrases like "screw you"? You were the one that posted "change my mind" in the thread title. That sure sounds like an invitation to debate. And that's what this is. Not a flamewar.

With Gunther, you can hide behind walls and instantly pop out and destroy enemies too. And they won't even have to be as close to you as they will with Casey. Enemies also aren't *completely* dumb, and many won't shoot at you while you are behind a wall, waiting instead to fire as soon as you do step out. Casey also isn't some magic protection from every enemy bullet. There's a reload and then charge time between every swing. You will definitely still have to dodge or hide for some shots in a room. Gunther can usually just walk in and spam shoot the entire magazine, with homing and piercing you rarely will even need a reload per entire wave.

Originally posted by CrazyCommunist:

Anvillan.

Anvillain is super nice. But that 70 max ammo really holds it back.

[The Traveler]

Im fine with debating, but I said "screw you" because you turned this into a "Gunther vs Casey" debate, not "Gunther is better than every other weapon" debate.

Gunther's ambush is not as good as Casey's ambush. Sure, enemies don't have to be as close, but enemies tend to be close anyway. Plus Casey's range is longer than it seems. I never said Casey has magical protection. Casey's reload, and charge time isn't. that. bad. It fills in the gap between you killing the enemy, and you killing the next enemy. After you kill an enemy, you move to the next enemy, and while you're moving, you reload, and charge, and thats assuming if you didn't knock that first enemy into the second enemy. Hey, you know what Casey doesn't have to deal with? Bullcrap homing bullets running into walls when you're trying to kill somebody else.

Another thing to note is that when you get Casey, you get the entire package. When you get Gunther, you have to level the annoying ♥♥♥♥♥ up through many rooms, and even an entire chamber. Sure, its a beast when you level it up all the way, but it starts off way weaker, which stings if you got Gunther at the later chambers. Not only that, but Casey is cheap in shops, more common in shops, more common in general (brown chests). Sure, Casey gives curse. Curse can be bad if you have too much of it, but curse gives you more money, higher chance of chest mimics which is good for not wanting to spend your keys, and curse is good with items like cursed bullets, and sixth chamber.

[Hrgović]

Yari launcher is i think most powerful weapon. Can't really say for sure but with Oiled cylinder it is. You can kill bosses in 2-3 clips while it takes 5 sec to empty the clip. That is boss kill in 10-15 sec

[August the Umbreon]

I think you guys are forgetting one crucial thing:

Smiley's Revolver + Oiled Cylinder + Lichy Triggerfinger

(If you can click well enough)