I found a special chest for the first time. (NOT rainbow...)

[valzyf]

I was playing as the Robot. I was on the third floor and I had probably the strongest and best run going that I've ever had as the Robot. I found an extra special glitched chest for the first time and decided to find out what it was. I mean, rainbow chests are awesome, right? I've seen two of those.

Well, that chest wasn't so awesome. My run was great, but it wasn't THAT great... =(

[D-ray]

Hehe, double Beholster.

[ybutenko]

I wish AD&D would have new type of chests.

[Shiro]

beating thing inside glitched chest will earn you tons of new items. So it IS good, its just hard. If you doubt your strenght, just destroy chest.

hint: before fight, throw and then pickup back any gun. If you don't, all loot earned will be guns

[BOYCOTT]

oh nice, you found some death.

realistically just quick restart that run, i've seen four, nothing is enough to kill two beholsters at once, NOTHING.

[wafflekitty]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much:

oh nice, you found some death.

realistically just quick restart that run, i've seen four, nothing is enough to kill two beholsters at once, NOTHING.

Makeshift Cannon says otherwise.

[Al]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much:

oh nice, you found some death.

realistically just quick restart that run, i've seen four, nothing is enough to kill two beholsters at once, NOTHING.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/3757575977449368828/C9F0500FA479078DE6AFAA38B991F2275CB20B1C/
out of the five glitched chests that i found i survived three.

speak for yourself, peasant.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by G|_!tch:

out of the five glitched chests that i found i survived three

so, I see that you didn't tried to drop/pickup guns before fight. What a shame, I wanted to confirm if it works on giving you also items instead of only guns

[Al]

Originally posted by Shiro:

Originally posted by G|_!tch:

out of the five glitched chests that i found i survived three

so, I see that you didn't tried to drop/pickup guns before fight. What a shame, I wanted to confirm if it works on giving you also items instead of only guns

well, the wiki confirms that its indeed possible.

https://enterthegungeon.gamepedia.com/Chests#Glitch_Chests

and honestly, i know that some people feel different about this, but i'd much rather have a bunch of guns so i can try to use the guns i would like to use instead of having to worry about ammo, which is why i never really bothered to test.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by G|_!tch:

and honestly, i know that some people feel different about this, but i'd much rather have a bunch of guns so i can try to use the guns i would like to use instead of having to worry about ammo, which is why i never really bothered to test.

you shouln't forget. On a single floor, how many guns you can normally find? 2-3, maybe 4-5 if you add shops. But gliched boss gives you 8 thingies. Remember that game gives you guns from a boss fight if you didn't get a gun before, but it still CAN give a gun otherwise. So you will get 3-5 guns from Beholsters, and you will ALSO get some items, that may be quite useful. +1 bullets (or other bullets booster), guon stones, wax wings, Lament Configutum,...

[Al]

Originally posted by Shiro:

Originally posted by G|_!tch:

and honestly, i know that some people feel different about this, but i'd much rather have a bunch of guns so i can try to use the guns i would like to use instead of having to worry about ammo, which is why i never really bothered to test.

you shouln't forget. On a single floor, how many guns you can normally find? 2-3, maybe 4-5 if you add shops. But gliched boss gives you 8 thingies. Remember that game gives you guns from a boss fight if you didn't get a gun before, but it still CAN give a gun otherwise. So you will get 3-5 guns from Beholsters, and you will ALSO get some items, that may be quite useful. +1 bullets (or other bullets booster), guon stones, wax wings, Lament Configutum,...

BUT

having the chance to gain actives goes also up and, unless i play the pilot, i can only leave with one active item, wasting value. yes, i can get something like singularity, but emphasis lies on ''can''.

not all passive items are strictly benefitial, especially combined (for example, cog of war and oiled cylinder). ammo is what wins you the game, not passives. sure, they may make every gun you come across better (with varying results), but more in a change in playstyle way. most passives that give you straight upgrades are either minor ones like reload speed or shot speed, or are alot more impactful, but alot rarer aswell. aside from those you have passives that give, but also take, like heavy bullets (more dmg for less shot speed) or fat bullets (more dmg, less ammo), which give the player mostly a different game rather than straight upgrades. even the S Tier passive that gives everything a penetration effect can ruin explosive based weapons like the rpg or mahoguny.

not to mention that the game can give fake duplicates. look at the screenshot i linked and you'll see two frost giants. that is because the game doesn't actually take away items from item pools if they aren't in your possession. for example, if you found a compass in the first floor from a brown chest and open a brown chest again on the fourth floor, you still can get that compass. having multiple items doesn't increase your odds in finding good ones either, meaning that i am not guaranteed to get something good from the two beholsters if i would've dropped a gun.

also, you can't actually have duplicates either. instead of getting two frost giants i only got one.

lastly, i don't know if you missread that, but i said:

''and honestly, i know that some people feel different about this, but i'd much rather have a bunch of guns''

i know that the risk isn't very high and i'm mostly safe to bet on getting a good passive anyway, since the two beholsters replace a floor so the ammo used to kill them is kinda the same ammount that could've been used on a whole floor, but i don't really care. a reward is a reward and guns are just my personal preference for rewards. sure i may miss out on a unique run, but i wouldn't be playing enter the gungeon if i were to constantly hope for a unique run. might aswell save the time and use Mod the Gungeon to get everything i want.

[wafflekitty]

I have to agree. I feel like far more of the passives are either undertuned, or the few good ones also have extremely harmful synergies (like how ghost bullets ruin explosive weapons).

[Shiro]

Originally posted by G|_!tch:

lastly, i don't know if you missread that, but i said:
''and honestly, i know that some people feel different about this, but i'd much rather have a bunch of guns''

if I didn't replied directly to something, it doesn't mean I missed/didn't get it. It only means I didn't difectly reply to that line. Usually because I felt it doesn't need replying. Such line is a personal preferences to get more guns instead of items - sure, it is your playstyle. I pointed out possible alternative (along with its potential advantages), it is up to you to choose whatever you want.

as for discussion of "passive aren't that useful", my guess is that it is more of randomness. New gun almost never can hurt you (exception being Cursed weapon), however you can't actively use more than 2-3 weapons at once, so each new gun adds less. Items have effect that always works so they basically multiply your total power by a set percentage (even if no synergy was achieved), however, as correctly pointed out, certain passive items contradict some kinds of weapons or other items, and active items capacity is limited.

Debate of what is better would be as hot as debate on what character is stronger; I won't start that and just say its everyone's personal choice to get whatever he wants to go with.

[BOYCOTT]

well you said you're playing the pilot before, so you're obviously handicapped and without a worthwhile sidearm.

Originally posted by wafflekitty:

Makeshift Cannon says otherwise.

yeah because needing one specific gun to beat it is such a good demonstration of skill over RNG /sarcasm

thanks for proving my point for me.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much:

well you said you're playing the pilot before, so you're obviously handicapped and without a worthwhile sidearm.

don't remember saying that. Plus, it doesn't prove or disprove anything here, so it was pointless to ever say that

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much:

Originally posted by wafflekitty:

Makeshift Cannon says otherwise.

yeah because needing one specific gun to beat it is such a good demonstration of skill over RNG /sarcasm
thanks for proving my point for me.

"one specific gun" (two ctually, adding Yari Launcher) is still more than "NOTHING"
But even aside those two boss slayers there a lot of other sufficiently strong weapons, as well as powerful defencive options.

If you are capable of reliably get Master Round from a single Beholster, you will be able to beat twin Beholster as well. This is especially true if you are have wide point of view and can see where to dodge so you won't get hit right afterwards. But even if you are not too skilled, you may still prevail with blank build or other highly-defencive strat, along with reserve of HP and armor

if you keep failing even then, well... for people like you Dodge Roll gonna make this game easier in AG&D update :)

[1337Walrus]

Glitch and Rainbow chests are waay too rare. I'm 54 hours in, killed every past, killed the Lich, and I haven't seen either of those even once.