Unpopular(?) Opinion on Bullet Hell

[GarbageCollector]

Maybe it's just me, but I kind of wish it was a little bit easier. I like that it's without any question at all the hardest stage, but I still wish it was even feasibly clearable with relatively advanced loadouts. It's not hard with the Gunslinger or sometimes Paradox, but it just completely insurmountable when you get one of those "meh" runes with a regular character and just have a stack of items that don't really synergize and nothing alone is really OP.

Is this anyone else's experience as well? Most of the times I die there I don't feel like it was because I made a fair mistake or was just not good enough, I just feel screwed from the outset becomes I'm still using a Hexagun with Metronome, for example.

[HoneyDrake]

Bullethell doesn't reward the player. And I mean it:

No unlocks, besides if you do it for the first time with the Paradox (and make it through), not even hegemony credits when killing the boss.

This stage is clearly just an test for players who want to test their builds (and themselves) and I find it pretty decent in that regard. Clearly not a good stage if you want to do it regularly, as it's really frustrating with all those bullet sponges and difficult to dodge attacks.

[Jaasrg]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Bullethell doesn't reward the player. And I mean it:

No unlocks

"Easy" access to evil [censored] to get Gunslinger's Ashes.

[GarbageCollector]

Originally posted by Jaasrr:

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Bullethell doesn't reward the player. And I mean it:

No unlocks

"Easy" access to evil [censored] to get Gunslinger's Ashes.

There's this, unlocking Gunslinger, unlocking riddle of lead, and the achievement that goes with that too, but otherwise it's clearly not worth it.

"Return to Breach" after beating Dragun just feels wrong though.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by smokytehbear:

Originally posted by Jaasrr:

"Easy" access to evil [censored] to get Gunslinger's Ashes.

There's this, unlocking Gunslinger, unlocking riddle of lead, and the achievement that goes with that too, but otherwise it's clearly not worth it.

"Return to Breach" after beating Dragun just feels wrong though.

shoot yourself, don't collect the bullet to kill your past, that's totally fine. The only one who can actually "finish" the gungeon is just the gunslinger. So yeah, it would feel wrong either way.

[11clock]

I made my own thread regarding this with a suggestion for a possible solution (a rest stop before the final boss like the Resourceful Rat fight, and upping the difficulty of the area slightly to make up for it). But there was a general disagreement.

The good thing is you only have to do Bullet Hell a total of 3 times (once for the item unlocks, once as Paradox to initiate Gunslinger run, then finally once as Gunslinger). But the problem is when you try to target Bullet Hell for these unlocks rather than, “I am overpowered so may as well.” It can be frustrating to prepare for it. You can beat Dragun just fine with only 3 heart containers and basic load outs, but it is a tall order for Bullet Hell. You have to at least get two or three master rounds to even stand a chance.

[GarbageCollector]

Originally posted by 11clock:

I made my own thread regarding this with a suggestion for a possible solution (a rest stop before the final boss like the Resourceful Rat fight, and upping the difficulty of the area slightly to make up for it). But there was a general disagreement.

The good thing is you only have to do Bullet Hell a total of 3 times (once for the item unlocks, once as Paradox to initiate Gunslinger run, then finally once as Gunslinger). But the problem is when you try to target Bullet Hell for these unlocks rather than, “I am overpowered so may as well.” It can be frustrating to prepare for it. You can beat Dragun just fine with only 3 heart containers and basic load outs, but it is a tall order for Bullet Hell. You have to at least get two or three master rounds to even stand a chance.

My experience is no amount of health will save you there. If you're going to get hit more than like twice, you're going to get hit so much it won't matter whether you have 10 heart containers. You pretty much need something that will clear rooms almost instantly, with no focus, preferably from around walls. Like a Railgun, upgraded Gunther with bouncy bullets, or gungine + scattershot + ghost bullets with bionic leg + jetpack to just move faster than anything coming at you.

Which is really my point. Whenever I'm able to do it, it doesn't feel like I won because I was good. And whenever I fail, it doesn't feel like it was because I was bad. Feels like just a ten minute finale testing the RNG I had throughout the game thus far.

Perhaps better players than I can make it work with more basic loadouts. I'm open to the idea that this whole level is just not for me, and more made for the true kinds of bullet hell games.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by smokytehbear:

Originally posted by 11clock:

I made my own thread regarding this with a suggestion for a possible solution (a rest stop before the final boss like the Resourceful Rat fight, and upping the difficulty of the area slightly to make up for it). But there was a general disagreement.

The good thing is you only have to do Bullet Hell a total of 3 times (once for the item unlocks, once as Paradox to initiate Gunslinger run, then finally once as Gunslinger). But the problem is when you try to target Bullet Hell for these unlocks rather than, “I am overpowered so may as well.” It can be frustrating to prepare for it. You can beat Dragun just fine with only 3 heart containers and basic load outs, but it is a tall order for Bullet Hell. You have to at least get two or three master rounds to even stand a chance.

My experience is no amount of health will save you there. If you're going to get hit more than like twice, you're going to get hit so much it won't matter whether you have 10 heart containers. You pretty much need something that will clear rooms almost instantly, with no focus, preferably from around walls. Like a Railgun, upgraded Gunther with bouncy bullets, or gungine + scattershot + ghost bullets with bionic leg + jetpack to just move faster than anything coming at you.

Which is really my point. Whenever I'm able to do it, it doesn't feel like I won because I was good. And whenever I fail, it doesn't feel like it was because I was bad. Feels like just a ten minute finale testing the RNG I had throughout the game thus far.

Perhaps better players than I can make it work with more basic loadouts. I'm open to the idea that this whole level is just not for me, and more made for the true kinds of bullet hell games.

It is not that bad.

Bullet hell is difficult yes but honestly the worst enemies are king bullats poopulons shotgrub’s and Creech’s.
Otherwise the rest are typically easy to deal with. Especially if you clear out the rat floor and get the cheese gun.

[wafflekitty]

Bullet Hell feels very difficult at first, but with practice it can be handled just like any other floor.

[Optimatum]

The main way to get good at Bullet Hell is to learn the layout. It has incredibly predictable generation, so once you learn the pattern you only need to clear half the floor on average to reach the boss. With practice it's honestly not that hard either, aside from the Lich. There isn't a ton of room diversity so you can just learn where the dangerous enemies spawn and take them out right away.

That said, I don't enjoy Bullet Hell much either. Unless you get a lucky chest drop you won't get new items that change your run, so why bother? Occasionally I'll clear it when my run just crushes the other floors and it would be over too soon. For average runs though, I'm not good enough to need the challenge—and if you don't care about the difficulty, the floor just feels empty.

[Darthzz]

I don't think it necessarily needs to be "easier", but more often than not I find myself taking damage there from something I wasn't able to even see and sometimes I end up dying not knowing what hit me. I rarely ever felt this on other floors. I honestly think the bullet hell floor is 10x harder than the lich himself.

[Patch]

Just get good.

[Fangsgalaxy5]

Use gunther