Enter the Gungeon

Enter the Gungeon

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Rio 2019 年 5 月 12 日 下午 12:43
Things in gungeon that no one really likes?
Price of the rat key
No cases from pit killed enemies
The crest behind a locked door
The crest placement behind a mini-boss fight
The floating hands that make you repeat rooms if they touch you
One Locked low tier chest behind a locked door
A single blank reward secret rooms
Blessed gun runs disable bosses dropping credits
Boss rush can drop table tech items
Boss rush can drop keys
First floor shop only selling 1 key
Locked brown chests that pay out with cases worth less than the price of a key
Can't know your current curse/coolness/magnificence without keeping track manually
R&G floor costs a master blank, but its not worth it usually (Unless rainbow run)
Flawlessing a boss an it only dropped 1-2 credits
When the Gorgun starts screaming right next to a wall
Lower case r as the gun slinger
The old king drops a synergy chest that is still locked
Miner bulletkin going invincible as soon as they spawn and wasting your time
The rat punching glove gun
Having an alt gun skin and getting a chest with the non-alt skin gun
最後修改者:Rio; 2019 年 5 月 17 日 下午 10:33
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GarbageCollector 2019 年 5 月 13 日 下午 8:46 
引用自 Black
Disintegrator damage is just meh like most beam weapons. But at least it doesn't reset via brown ammo pickup like triple gun can. The long charge up is meh.

You're kidding right? It does maximum boss DPS all the way up until the Dragun. It's not all purpose but against certain bosses this gun is almost as good as it gets. You couple this with something like Rare Sweet, Jetpack, or even Bionic Leg and you're pretty well set to handle 50% of the bosses in the game with just two items.

Most of your objections seem to be about personal style, not actual quality of the weapons. Which is totally fine, and actually I think reinforces the idea that players should be able to know quality and decide for themselves.
wafflekitty 2019 年 5 月 13 日 下午 10:29 
See, I wouldn't directly say Hyper Light Blaster is flat better than AU Gun. Because missed shots matter a lot with Hyper Light Blaster, I don't risk using it on room clearing. I only save it for bosses. While AU Gun is primarily useful to room clearing, and will only get popped out for bosses with certain item combos.

Also, arguing that a lower-tier item is roughly equal or slightly better doesn't make that high-tier item bad. What you find is up to luck in general, and you are rarely gonna find Potion of Lead Skin and Relodestone in the same run. Plus I'd still take Relodestone given that choice. But the developers deliberately put some good items in low tier and some bad items in high tier. It raises the stakes, and makes every choice a bit of a gamble, which is part of the RNG elements of the genre.

I mean, the C-tier The Scrambler is flat better than the S-tier Particulator, but I don't see anyone griping when they find Particulator because that gun is still super strong.
Rio 2019 年 5 月 13 日 下午 10:35 
AU Gun only has 10 more shots than hyper light. And since as long as you hit or hit sometimes its going to be about the same ammo or better as AU outside of a boss fight.


I gripe when I get particulator in a rainbow run. Its gotta be pretty early in a run or a very weak run when I want Particulator to be my main. Can't say I've ever compared the two before now though. But yeah, scrambler is one of those, its gonna be an easy run, guns
最後修改者:Rio; 2019 年 5 月 13 日 下午 10:49
wafflekitty 2019 年 5 月 14 日 上午 12:05 
引用自 Black
AU Gun only has 10 more shots than hyper light. And since as long as you hit or hit sometimes its going to be about the same ammo or better as AU outside of a boss fight.


I gripe when I get particulator in a rainbow run. Its gotta be pretty early in a run or a very weak run when I want Particulator to be my main. Can't say I've ever compared the two before now though. But yeah, scrambler is one of those, its gonna be an easy run, guns
But AU Gun does four times the damage per shot of Hyper Light Blaster. You walk into a room, see a Lead Maiden, switch to AU Gun and drop it in one shot, switch to something else to finish the room. Whereas that's less viable with Hyper Light Blaster because firing a couple extra shots after it dies means wasted ammo. Plus Hyper Light Blaster is great on bosses, so save it for that. While AU Gun's lengthy reload time makes it subpar for bosses unless you have some strong item combos for it, such as Hip Holster.
HoneyDrake 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 7:07 
Relodestone also halves reload time, while also allowing you to get additional ammo (especially for weapons with low ammo counts like Blackhole gun, etc.) during invincibility. So yeah: S Tier is deserved.

And I rather get some decent synergies than most S tier weapons. Items with higher rarity are pretty decent, weapons? most are horrible.


And once again: if you did not open the wiki about magnificence ... you would not know about A and S tier weapon drop chance REDUCTION if you decide to pick up some item or gun with said rank, while also not even knowing the rank of the item or weapon, because it's only "halfway" possible to be known, if you knew that certain items sell for higher prices, while also knowing what the floor multiplicator for the price tag of items is.

There are just 4 important factors unknown to the player, I just named about a single stat, which is just IMPOSSIBLE for ANY player to find out, if they don't take like 200+ hours to figure everything out.
HoneyDrake 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 7:09 
引用自 Black
I gripe when I get particulator in a rainbow run. Its gotta be pretty early in a run or a very weak run when I want Particulator to be my main. Can't say I've ever compared the two before now though. But yeah, scrambler is one of those, its gonna be an easy run, guns

Particulator is amazing against bosses which can go invincible during certain attacks, as the particulator projectiles flow around the location an boss is going to spawn back to (or just chase the boss once he appears), making you deal TONS of dammage at once, literally saving you time and maybe frustration.

edit: it's 10 times 7 damage projectiles, so 70 dmg from those alone, the explosion deals 30 dmg btw, so 100 whopping damage? sign me up.
最後修改者:HoneyDrake; 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 7:10
GarbageCollector 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 7:23 
引用自 Honey Drake

And I rather get some decent synergies than most S tier weapons. Items with higher rarity are pretty decent, weapons? most are horrible.

Really this is what it almost always comes down to. You only need one gun and one active, really. If you're using more than ~2 guns on a single boss you probably just have only gotten garbage so far. It's usually not even close for a comparison either. Suppose I've already got a railgun, gunther, gunbow, or unicorn horn or something of the sort, would I rather get another one or platinum bullets, magic sweet, duct tape, etc.? No question.



引用自 Honey Drake
And once again: if you did not open the wiki about magnificence ... you would not know about A and S tier weapon drop chance REDUCTION if you decide to pick up some item or gun with said rank, while also not even knowing the rank of the item or weapon, because it's only "halfway" possible to be known, if you knew that certain items sell for higher prices, while also knowing what the floor multiplicator for the price tag of items is.

There are just 4 important factors unknown to the player, I just named about a single stat, which is just IMPOSSIBLE for ANY player to find out, if they don't take like 200+ hours to figure everything out.

I wonder if this is something that would be really, really easy to just mod in quickly. Or if it's even already been done...
Ghaleon 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 11:07 
Yeah, Rat key price being top of the list is good choice. I want to enjoy the new content without having to have a snore-fest of a first and 2nd floor cuz I can't buy anything EVEN EFFING KEYS ON FLOOR 2 thank you very much.
最後修改者:Ghaleon; 2019 年 5 月 14 日 下午 11:07
Rio 2019 年 5 月 17 日 下午 10:32 
Got a new one to add. When you unlock a weapon alt skin of a starting gun like blashemy. Then get the non-alt skin version from a chest in a run.

Basically being punished for picking a cosmetic difference.
Jesterofgames7712 2019 年 5 月 18 日 上午 5:43 
引用自 Black
Got a new one to add. When you unlock a weapon alt skin of a starting gun like blashemy. Then get the non-alt skin version from a chest in a run.

Basically being punished for picking a cosmetic difference.
I’m like 99% sure that is not intended.
Jesterofgames7712 2019 年 5 月 18 日 上午 5:44 
引用自 Ghaleon
Yeah, Rat key price being top of the list is good choice. I want to enjoy the new content without having to have a snore-fest of a first and 2nd floor cuz I can't buy anything EVEN EFFING KEYS ON FLOOR 2 thank you very much.
Might be because I almost always go to the Oubliette but I almost never have that much of an issue with money the first few floors even when buying the rat key.
wafflekitty 2019 年 5 月 18 日 上午 5:47 
Something a lot of beginners don't understand about the cost of Rat Key is that taking damage means you will make less money. The cost is therefore meant to be a skill check to bar entrance from players not yet good enough to really handle Rat himself.
Rio 2019 年 5 月 18 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 Jesterofgames7712
引用自 Black
Got a new one to add. When you unlock a weapon alt skin of a starting gun like blashemy. Then get the non-alt skin version from a chest in a run.

Basically being punished for picking a cosmetic difference.
I’m like 99% sure that is not intended.

Might not be, but This morning I started a paradox run with carrot sword and junkan. So I trashed every chest until a green one on the sewer, where I hoped to get something good.

I got the non-carrot version of my sword....
Dangerous Dan, Pizza Man 2019 年 5 月 18 日 下午 4:50 
The complete piece of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that is the gunsoul. Forcing you to run through and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight your way through the rooms that you just completed with only one heart. And if that wasn't bad enough you don't receive a full refill on your health. You continue with the one or half filled heart that you have. I personally think this item is at least 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's like getting a item that makes the enemy bullets fly faster, more enemies spawn, your max life goes down one heart, but you do an additional +1 damage to enemies.
最後修改者:Dangerous Dan, Pizza Man; 2019 年 5 月 18 日 下午 4:55
N.I.T 2019 年 5 月 18 日 下午 5:29 
klobe my friends, klobe ...............
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