Paradox is boring

[Pawlogates]

What's even a point of a character whos starting gun is random? You dont use it after 1st floor anyway... It would be fine if Paradox had:

1. Random stats (ammo capacity, moving speed etc.)
2. Bosses from other characters pasts could replace regular mini-bosses
3. Random challenge was activated upon starting a run.

With these changes, Paradox would be incredibly replayable but currently it's kinda pointless...

[Rocky the Rock]

Some people just prefer the randomization.
I haven't played paradox yet, so I can't give my own opinion. I'd probably just play paradox to unlock the character only paradox unlocks.

[Index]

Sure, the starting sidearm barely matters.

But you do know Paradox starts with a second gun, as well as a random passive item, right?
Depending on what exactly you start with, you might use it for the rest of the whole run. So it definitely does matter.

[Pawlogates]

And if you get a terrible starters? Then you just wanna restart... and there isnt even a penalty for it so its just tedious

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Pawlogates:

And if you get a terrible starters? Then you just wanna restart... and there isnt even a penalty for it so its just tedious

What's your point?

Do you want to have everything handled by a silver plate to you? Like... yeah, that's how stuff works: you get an random passive item and gun, additional to an random starting weapon. That's what he is for, having fun not playing with the basic kit others have.

The only basic characters I enjoy playing? The Bullet, The Robot and The Marine. Everyone else is just boring, not because their kit is "bad", but because of how their gameplay is literally the same. With The Marine I got at least an decent starting weapon and an decent passive item which works decent at any stage of the game, the bonus reload speed, bullet spread reduction and charge time reduce is pretty significant for an item you start with.


Paradox allows me to enjoy the game with an random loadout, which is pretty enjoyable most of the time. Just restarting when getting an bad starting weapon, bad passive, which doesnt do anything (old knight helm/shield for example), and no decent loot in the first 2 chests.

[Pawlogates]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Originally posted by Pawlogates:

And if you get a terrible starters? Then you just wanna restart... and there isnt even a penalty for it so its just tedious

What's your point?

Do you want to have everything handled by a silver plate to you? Like... yeah, that's how stuff works: you get an random passive item and gun, additional to an random starting weapon. That's what he is for, having fun not playing with the basic kit others have.

The only basic characters I enjoy playing? The Bullet, The Robot and The Marine. Everyone else is just boring, not because their kit is "bad", but because of how their gameplay is literally the same. With The Marine I got at least an decent starting weapon and an decent passive item which works decent at any stage of the game, the bonus reload speed, bullet spread reduction and charge time reduce is pretty significant for an item you start with.


Paradox allows me to enjoy the game with an random loadout, which is pretty enjoyable most of the time. Just restarting when getting an bad starting weapon, bad passive, which doesnt do anything (old knight helm/shield for example), and no decent loot in the first 2 chests.

No... I have done everything there is to do in this game and now wanna have more fun, which random loadout isnt for me. I hate randomness if implemented poorly like that. I would prefer choose of starting items quality and more variance in gameplay.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Pawlogates:

I would prefer choose of starting items quality and more variance in gameplay.

Sooooo play Rainbow Mode, then.

Honestly though, if you've truly completed everything in the game AND your personal opinion is biased against Paradox...why do you insist on playing as Paradox?

[Pawlogates]

Because I see its potential? It could be great character if some more work was put into it.

[Freya The Great]

have you ever heard of Eden from the binding of Isaac? the paradox is the same thing and Eden works well so I think paradox does as well, sure you might get crappy starting items but they are at least better then the pilots or convicts.

[Maxfecteau]

you may get a random starter but it's only in case you run out of ammo on the other gun. Since the paradox can spawn with equal odds of getting bad items and getting tier S items, it can potentially become very broken. In my opinion, paradox is just fine, even if they likely just tried to replicate eden from the binding of isaac

[Rio]

Eden works well due to bad stats being possible, so the run might have an uphill battle.

Paradox on the otherhand can only have a good start. Or at worst, an average start.

Eden can start near death hp wise, with dps so bad he almost can beat a spider sack.


For paradox to work even half as good he'd need to start with a second passive item that cannot be dropped that modifies Reload speed, start hp, hp or shield for health, speed, accuracy, coolness, magnificence, default clip size, etc. Either all the above or 1-2 modifiers.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Pawlogates:

And if you get a terrible starters? Then you just wanna restart... and there isnt even a penalty for it so its just tedious

And your idea would’t fix this.
“Oh I got 2 hearts and less ammo capacity RESTART!”
Or
“Oh I got a bad challenge RESTART.”

[Pawlogates]

I said about restarting when the items are "boring" not just bad

[wafflekitty]

How is it more boring to have randomized equipment than to play any of the other characters, who have preset equipment? Honestly man, between this thread and your other one, it sounds like you expect Paradox to be overpowered.

[Rio]

Originally posted by wafflekitty:

How is it more boring to have randomized equipment than to play any of the other characters, who have preset equipment? Honestly man, between this thread and your other one, it sounds like you expect Paradox to be overpowered.

To be fair, gunslinger costs money to play and he's OP. Like just get the blackhole gun and he can flawless challenge mode

[wafflekitty]

Bullet is OP and doesn't cost anything to play.