Gun Forcing

[Count Shlongula]

Have started to hear alot about gun forcing from northernlion, and i wanted to know .. what is gun forcing and how do i do it ?

[Jaasrg]

Boss drop is guaranteed to be a weapon if you haven't gained one on a level.
He explained this on his newest vid around 4:10ish mark and probably in other vids since we all know everyone loves to repeat themselves.

[Shiro]

this means that if you want more guns, you get to the boss asap, without unlocking any chests
and if you want less guns, you unlock all chests you can and/or buy any gun you see in shop, or maybe throw/repick empty gun (for how many guns you have if you get away carrying an empty one, you would likely not need extra gun at that point)

[Rio]

Its the best way to ruin your first floor flawless. Pretty much.

Its advice from someone that I've heard plays his runs the same since base gungeon when ammo drops were very rare. Thus, more guns = win, as otherwise you'd risk running out of ammo in late game and dying because your start gun isn't good enough. (Which is no longer the case in most runs).

If you have awful guns it can be viable to do on a floor. But then again you might get a bad gun instead of the boss dropping a nice passive/active that could make all your guns better or somehow powers up your run.

Ideally you should see the two chests on the floor before deciding if you should gun force. If both chests are brown, yeah gun force is probably a good idea as your almost for sure getting a better weapon that way. You can also of course open both chests on a floor and not pick the gun up if you hate it/its trash for example winchester/dualing pistol/derringer/klob/punching glove/etc.

Ideally as well if your seeing the chests each floor first before the boss fight, you should have a gun capable of putting out fuse/fire so no chest explodes.

Also theres a very small number of items/synergies that can allow you to see inside a chest before opening it. I think only the exotic as well as a synergy of the siren water shotgun can do this?

Its also a good idea to explore the floor before the boss in case of mimic tooth necklace. Which will turn most boss fights into 2 rewards instead of just 1

[Rio]

Also man gun forcing as pilot on floor one. Thats insanity lol.

Unless you wanna bad time, avoid that. Specially if your on keyboard.

[BOYCOTT]

shame there isn't a method for passive forcing, which would actually be useful.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Black:

Its the best way to ruin your first floor flawless. Pretty much.

Not really?
If you practice the bosses with a pistol you should be able to easily flawless them with a pistol only.

shame there isn't a method for passive forcing, which would actually be useful.

Depends on the passive also depends on the playstyle.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by Black:

Also man gun forcing as pilot on floor one. Thats insanity lol.
Unless you wanna bad time, avoid that. Specially if your on keyboard.

hehe with pilot you usually aim for lockpick forcing - ensuring that most if not all floor 1 lockpicks succeed (by restarting any run where thats not true). So you often have gun for floor 1 boss

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Originally posted by Black:

Its the best way to ruin your first floor flawless. Pretty much.

Not really?
If you practice the bosses with a pistol you should be able to easily flawless them with a pistol only.

this is far from true. Dem rogue special is kinda lame; sure if you can dodge for several minutes not very far from the boss (cause rs' shots don't fly far, so you have to stay slightly closer than usually) then you can beat him, but easily? constant dodging for that long is kinda exhausting unless you have godlike skills (in which case you probably unlocked gunslinger by this point)
other starters might be not that bad, but still they are no strong, and taking down boss with weaker weapon is always exhausting

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Shiro:

Originally posted by Black:

Also man gun forcing as pilot on floor one. Thats insanity lol.
Unless you wanna bad time, avoid that. Specially if your on keyboard.

hehe with pilot you usually aim for lockpick forcing - ensuring that most if not all floor 1 lockpicks succeed (by restarting any run where thats not true). So you often have gun for floor 1 boss

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Not really?
If you practice the bosses with a pistol you should be able to easily flawless them with a pistol only.

this is far from true. Dem rogue special is kinda lame; sure if you can dodge for several minutes not very far from the boss (cause rs' shots don't fly far, so you have to stay slightly closer than usually) then you can beat him, but easily? constant dodging for that long is kinda exhausting unless you have godlike skills (in which case you probably unlocked gunslinger by this point)
other starters might be not that bad, but still they are no strong, and taking down boss with weaker weapon is always exhausting

Just practice aside from bullet kings rng bullets it’s usually easy to flawless the boss with a pistol.
Also ye rouge special sucks. But that’s 1/7 starting pistols.

[Rio]

its not just are you gud enuff, you can get straight up bored if your always fighting the first floor + boss with the starter gun. I did it so many times in a row to get the rat key for many runs >.>. Had to switch to paradox to stop being bored as all fun was drained from the game for me. Doing first floor, first boss, sometimes sewer and second floor with the start weapon.

Sure not how I enjoy playing the game. Glad thats behind me since I don't need the rat for anything anymore.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Black:

its not just are you gud enuff, you can get straight up bored if your always fighting the first floor + boss with the starter gun. .

And if your unlucky enough you gotta do it anyways.
Examples being getting the Maletov launcher/Fossilized gun
And bullet king

[Shiro]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Originally posted by Black:

its not just are you gud enuff, you can get straight up bored if your always fighting the first floor + boss with the starter gun. .

And if your unlucky enough you gotta do it anyways.
Examples being getting the Maletov launcher/Fossilized gun
And bullet king

I guess question is not if you can do it when you face such "luck". Question is, wouldn't it be boring to do it every single time. Game is meant to bring fun, after all

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Shiro:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

And if your unlucky enough you gotta do it anyways.
Examples being getting the Maletov launcher/Fossilized gun
And bullet king

I guess question is not if you can do it when you face such "luck". Question is, wouldn't it be boring to do it every single time. Game is meant to bring fun, after all

I mean i don’t find it boring.
I never said that you have to do gun forcing just that gun forcing mean you lose a master round.