how do you "abuse" the cigarettes?

[Icedfate]

I keep seeing in youtube videos they see the cigarettes and they go "ohhh! that item is soo awesome! you can totally break the game with it!" but then they never go on to explain it.

one guy said it's because it reduces the cooldowns on your active items and if you use it enough you can literally use the active items again and again infinitely, but in the wikia under coolness, it says you need 10 coolness to reduce the cooldown by 50% and that's where it caps.
and I'm still not sure how that helps, if you don't find find a good active item to replace the cigarettes with later after you are done with them.

plus, you have to find a ton of health pickups and not get hit at all just to make the cigarettes work.

I thought maybe I could create a kind of "Cascade effect" by raising my coolness above 20 and beyond to make a lot of room clear rewards appear which would man more heart drops which would mean more uses of the cigarettes which would then create more health pickups but it doesn't seem to make all that much of a difference.

I've attempted this several times and I just don't see it.

how is this item "so OP it can break the game"?

[FancyFishie]

Just more pickups in general, thats all.

[ThatGuyYouknow522]

It's not, People over exaggerate all the time

[Icedfate]

I see

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by ThatGuyYouKnow52:

It's not, People over exaggerate all the time

false. infinite potion of lead skin, gun friendship, and starman is not an exageration

the only not so true is infinate elder blank. its not infinite any more but its still darn near close.

it takes a specefic synergy to make cigs good. i just take them with me and whenever a health item drops and Im full up I smoke one and then pick up the health. if you get lucky you will end up with a BS endgame. if you arnt lucky then you have a slighty better active item then you would have otherwise had, provided you get one. cigs are ALWAYS good unless you die to them or you cant keep yourself healthy enough to support using them. in that case drop them and dont look back.

[Helly]

Last time I had cigarettes, I had both an A chest and an S chest just plonk themselves in the middle of a room.

The time before that, I had the Singularity, which recharged as soon as it had dissipated.

You do need some good skills to not take more damage and heart pickup luck, but the cigarettes are amazing.

[zverozvero]

Is it infinite without ice cube though? Good gun with Ice could recharge half-time fill for Lead or Star but it wont break infinite if 50% reload cap is actually true. Least it felt that way for me when i got good cig run after cap-patch.

Perfectly broken on Pilot though.

[Helly]

Originally posted by zverozvero:

Is it infinite without ice cube though? Good gun with Ice could recharge half-time fill for Lead or Star but it wont break infinite if 50% reload cap is actually true. Least it felt that way for me when i got good cig run after cap-patch.

Perfectly broken on Pilot though.

It's not infinite, but by the time it wears off you've already done enough damge to recharge it.

Or, you could end up with the absolutely nuts Big Boy + Cigarettes combo, in which case it does enough damage to recharge itself.

[zverozvero]

Thats why i brought up Cube that makes Actives rechargeable while they are active. Normally it starts to recharge only when effect wears off.

[Helly]

Originally posted by zverozvero:

Thats why i brought up Cube that makes Actives rechargeable while they are active. Normally it starts to recharge only when effect wears off.

Oh cool (pun intended), didn't know it did that.

[Qaday123]

If you have the crisis stone, then you can keep on using cigars without taking damage while reloading

[Helly]

Originally posted by Xisain314:

If you have the crisis stone, then you can keep on using cigars without taking damage while reloading

^ this. They fixed a couple of broken things in AG&D (like infinite guon stones), but Crisis Stone is still very broken. No clue why it's A and not S, any gun with a magazine size of 1 grants essential invincibility.

[RocketPotatoL62]

I haven't been able to get that much out of it just yet since even if the drop rates are signicantly better, it mostly rests on RNG to give you pretty much nothing anyways. I hear it does have some amazing synergies with the better active items though.