Getting Orc allies too hard?

[Wilf]

Ok, i normally prefer turtling games so ill say that from the off. After setting up camp, i kinda got a little lost with what I was supposed to do next. The Quests say continue in story, but that points to the new base in the old abandoned lands. So i went to the map, and thought, ill tackle the side quest, Orcs part next. Now im still lowish level, so when my 3 low level heros meet up with the orc, and we beat the first orc to being that particular map, I, well, lets just say that once i have taken 3/4 of the map, and start attacking the main base I just get wiped out immediately. Its crazy.
I think i need to restart it and maybe do the map in a different order, perhaps im not using base upgrades and troops properly I dont know. I am playing normal difficulty on the campaign, and if im finding it that hard so early on, im regretting it a touch now! is anybody else finding it this hard or am i just a total noob?
Sorry if you dont know which part im talking about, i forget the names. Where i meet the Wolf Orc and have to gain the orc allies, side quest. Should I have waited for this one until my heros are higher? Bear in mind, Ive done the prologue, the initial Base building bit against the elfs, done through with the dwarf into those ancient areas, and now am on the Orc side quest.

[Paraleo]

if you invested all that time, you could finish it. If you have full army just target their heroes first. Use your Heroes to tank them. if you got all map you shoould be able to get better units hunters, ravagers.

If you still can't do it try to do the elves mission first.

[watcherzero]

Its the shortest and most RTS based of the three ally gaining missions. I found it impossible to focus on attempting to recruit them peacefully while distracted by fending off opponents, essentially only ones I recruited peacefully were one that wanted a mystery head (clue, its the ones that want that clans head) and one where they tell you which head to get. I was party level 8 when I got the ally recruiting mission, 12 when I finished it and 15 after completing the next series of main quests.

I have found in all the RTS missions though the key to victory is watchtowers, build two at the map chokepoint with your heroes guarding them while they are built, upgrade them, then they can infintely handle enemy attacks though may struggle against enemy ranged heroes without a handful of backup troops.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Actually the orc one is super easy. There are two areas which can effectively give the enemy tunnel vision, and I have nailed them.

I'll get some screenshots of them for you, they work wonders for me.

[Mesond]

Try to get them early on and it's hard. I died at the first fight.

Then I did it last and it was easy becuase I was nicely leveled and had good equipment.

Do the humans and elves first and you'll be fine.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1237022504

A line of pikemen here to block off enemy raids from this part, and to protect passing carts.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1237022560

To show where it is on map.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1237022613

Small base here for the enemy to throw wave after wave at.

Be sure to set your pikemen to hold their ground and to build 3-4 towers at the outpost in the screenshot. The enemy will not attack anything else, that is unless you start taking the top parts of the map.

Personally I just kill the leaders and takeover the tribe, ♥♥♥♥ being peaceful.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Now you will have to repair the towers frequently, but now you have a steady defensive position that will allow you to fatten up on resources.

[Grakor]

It's definitely the hardest of the recruitment maps. On Circle Mage, the AI can destroy orc watchtowers very quickly, so it's a real challenge to hold the chokepoints, especially because there's no cliffs or anything to help defend them.

At the very least, the map IS rushable, if you don't mind having The Betrayal on your failed quest list. It's also definitely easier if you gain some more levels by doing the elf and human quests first.

I'm starting a new CM difficulty run, so I'll try to do Foot of Barga Gor first of the three and see if I have any additional advice after.

[gbps]

just replayed the mission on circle mage difficulty on the new patch and oh boy they made it about 100 times easier i mean i didn't find it hard the first time but now it is like taking over half of the map and they attacked me once? with a tiny army

[killerproblem]

What I noticed in my play through was that trying this quest first you had no unit upgrades, and the AI had fully upgraded unit's... One on one with the same unit type I would Always lose, and the AI unit would have at least 1/2 health left... So unless you had a good 2 or 3 to one advantage I always lost... When I came back a few levels later ( did the elves quest, very easy) I had a few unit upgrades and those units could hold their own, making the force needed to hold my territory & attack the bases MUCH easier...

I haven't replayed since this last patch... If they reduced the AI force # or pulled their upgrades the mission would be much easier...

[gbps]

Originally posted by killerproblem:

What I noticed in my play through was that trying this quest first you had no unit upgrades, and the AI had fully upgraded unit's... One on one with the same unit type I would Always lose, and the AI unit would have at least 1/2 health left... So unless you had a good 2 or 3 to one advantage I always lost... When I came back a few levels later ( did the elves quest, very easy) I had a few unit upgrades and those units could hold their own, making the force needed to hold my territory & attack the bases MUCH easier...

I haven't replayed since this last patch... If they reduced the AI force # or pulled their upgrades the mission would be much easier...

erm unit upgrades only really drop by the same faction so that is not really possible unless you got really lucky in the random loot drops

it is for sure changed with the patch cause i noticed a bunch of bugs fixed like killing the first warchief half of the units ally with you as opposed to them all going hostile and the godstones not going neutral after you finish the map
not to mention it was super easy this time^

oh and i always do the orcs first mainly because you get 2 excellent companions that replace the subpar isgrim
you could take them and change the map again if you wanted but i just move on

[killerproblem]

Originally posted by Glorious pubes:

erm unit upgrades only really drop by the same faction so that is not really possible unless you got really lucky in the random loot drops

i don't know about about your game, but by the time I finished the elves and humans recruitment quest I had 6 different schematics for the orcs yes I found more for the other factions, and they tend to be as you suggested more common for the faction the mission is for, but I definitely got them for ALL factions in each zone... There was human and eleven schematics in the orc zone...

[Franky]

I did orcs right after doing elves and left humans for last, didn't recall struggling with the orc missions.

The thing with orcs is, yeah their defences suck, but they get access to early cavalry for a cheap cost.Compared to other races i found it very easy to assemble an early game rapid reaction force that wasn't my heroes and go on the offensive.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

I feel like people ignored my experience...I mean I was playing on hard and I'm a major turtle (remnants from my stronghold 2 addiction). Oh well, the other advise works to, I just gave advise for fellow turtles.

[Head On]

it must be a joke, on normal, i defeted them with only or mainly my heroes. in adition all gameplay on normal is just too easy and i cant change it, so i should go from begining to get the game expirince i would like

[Head On]

go play easy or easyiest if they give it to get all players on bord