Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma

Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma

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Clueless_Context 2016 年 7 月 5 日 上午 9:55
Delta should not Exist
Where is the original timeline in which Delta was created. Phi is Delta's twin sister..but that was only shows in the ZTD timeline..what was the ORIGINAL situation in which they were born.

999 and VLR were much easier to understand..idk why?
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Battler Ushiromiya 2016 年 7 月 5 日 上午 10:05 
It's called a bootstrap paradox, which you never question.
Clueless_Context 2016 年 7 月 5 日 上午 11:57 
引用自 Delta
It's called a bootstrap paradox, which you never question.
How is it the bootstrap Paradox?

I heard of it but how does it apply?

In 999 it does not apply, the new akane was the one saved in order to stop the paradox

in VLR there is no bootstrap...
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Battler Ushiromiya 2016 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:30 
Delta's existence is a bootstrap paradox. In fact, there are three:
Radical-6: Who carried Radical-6 out of the facility the first time, before Sigma and Phi were sent back to infiltrate it?
Delta: How was Delta born in the facility the first time, when he wasn't born to set the facility up? - and, even worse, when his father was only there because he travelled back to prevent the release of Radical-6 which Delta caused?
Phi: She has the brooch because Diana took it from her and sent it back. When was it manufactured?
iemander 2016 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:36 
For me it seems very logical.

In the "original" timeline, Delta appeared in 1905 because he was bound to be born in 2029. I don't think there's any paradox there.

I have more of a problem with the Brooch myself. Because it's stuck in a timeloop literally (As elemental properties are copied on an atomic level). It would disintegrate after x amount of transports, or at least break due to wear.
最后由 iemander 编辑于; 2016 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:37
cowinspace 2016 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:46 
It's not a paradox. Delta (along with Phi(1)) was transported to a "root" further down the tree, well before it starts to branch at the facility. Therefore he is present in all the realities, including the ones in which he was never born and probably also in numerous realities that Phi(2) didn't get transported into as well as all of the negative oucomes from 999.

It's the same reason that old Sigma stays in young Sigma's body at the end. There is no Moonbase in that timeline so there is no future Sigma to switch with, so the current Sigma is "stuck" (not that he's complaining). Future Sigma only exists in the VLR timeline, which is also the only one in which he loses his eye and arms. Future Sigma has to live through the whole Moonbase timeline before coming back and SHIFTing into the "correct" timeline.
最后由 cowinspace 编辑于; 2016 年 7 月 5 日 下午 3:14
Jeremy 2016 年 7 月 6 日 上午 12:57 
There are 2 time loops here, the one which Delta and Phi borned and Radical-6 one.
The transporter can duplicate all the atomic data in the input container.
The brooch was duplicated and back to year 1904.And come across the timeline.This splits into several timelines to generate timeloop for radical-6 and ensure that Phi and Delta born.All in all is about parallel world.
最后由 Jeremy 编辑于; 2016 年 7 月 6 日 上午 12:58
Hekatonkheires 2016 年 7 月 9 日 上午 3:37 
引用自 cowinspace
It's not a paradox. Delta (along with Phi(1)) was transported to a "root" further down the tree, well before it starts to branch at the facility. Therefore he is present in all the realities, including the ones in which he was never born and probably also in numerous realities that Phi(2) didn't get transported into as well as all of the negative oucomes from 999.

Delta and Phi cannot be born in the first place, let alone go back to 1904 as their birth is a result of Delta organizing the decision game.
Miral 2016 年 7 月 13 日 上午 5:23 
While the games focus on one loop (or one set of loops), they're not necessarily the only ones. In fact in some of the VLR endings (and the VLR-style ending in ZTD) we're explicitly told that a great many "failure" loops have already occurred, where R6 was released. The point of ZTD is to navigate to a timeline where R6 didn't get released, which breaks the loop. (Although in many-worlds, it's never truly broken, it's still out there in the multiverse.)

Bootstrap paradoxes can be resolved the same way. Most likely the first cycle looked nothing like the current one -- Delta wouldn't be involved since he didn't exist yet. Someone else triggered something unrelated that caused someone like Delta to be born and be sent to the past, where he desired more power and started to try to twist things so that circumstances would be more favourable for him on the next loop, and so forth, until gradually the cycles converged to what we saw in the game.
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