Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma

Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma

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After Game Discussion & Questions(Ofcourse major spoilers)
Hey All!
Zero Time Dilemma was awesome! What did you all think about it? Is it better than 999 or VLR, what did you think of the change in graphics? I loved the whole connection with VLR(junpei, shifts, radical-6) and how history repeated itself. Zero was awesome, the plot twist and they took it to another level chart flow twist was crazy.


I presume you reading this that you finished the game, I had a few ? left about this game:
1) Were we ever able to see delta in the game before he publicly revealed himself, I never noticed :P
2) Who did Zero/Delta want to kill?
3) Is Delta dead in the end? Do we know anything about 12/April/2029 event(truth about God)?
4) Why did Zero have the same watch?
5) That girl in the black coat i assume was Mira, is it correct to assume that she got into the other ward because she knew the way?


Food for thought?
- They did mention about the original Phi that was in Germany before she got 'copied' became a researcher and she went to America, did she raise Phi then?
- If the point was for this game for Delta & Phi to be born, then isn't there a paradox about the Zero Game being made itself if Delta wasn't born in that timeline?
- Someone explain to me All-Ice!! I was expecting someone to get unfrozen and join the game :P
- Did you notice the codes when someone dies related to them e.g(Carlos - Shift,Fire,Save,dream,june,hero - i thin, etc)
- All that fan-made pictures of SigmaxPhi from VLR went to ♥♥♥♥ with ZTD XD XD

Finally, developers of Zero Series. Thank you! It's been a journey and absolutely loved the series. It's awesome, emotional, crazy and well awesome! I pray that this will be a success. I look forward to your next games and hope and please hope that a similarish Zero Series will be released.
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Jindujun93 Jul 1, 2016 @ 2:33am 
Uhm, let's see... just finished the game and will try to answer as much as possible from up there. Needless to say, I had a blast with the game. Not sure whether I prefer it over 999 or Uchikoshi's Ever17, but it might be close. Definitely a step up from VLR, though.

1. No we weren't, and that's the point. Uchikoshi always works with that sort of visual trickery and perspectives - he did it in VLR as you should know yourself with the Sigma twist, it's been pretty low-key in 999 with the reveal that you've been watching as June from the past the entire time (and that the Sudoku puzzle was the only time you really played Junpei, so to speak), and it's there in Ever17 and Remember11 as well, though since this thread is not about spoilers for those games, I won't go into further detail than that. Needless to say, Uchikoshi likes this, and does it often, withholding crucial information from the player that almost all characters are aware of.

3. Probably up to the player, intentionally left ambiguous. Remember11 did something similar. And no, the truth about god was never revealed, it was just a side remark to justify the one scene near the end of VLR when Sigma jumps back to 2029 and meets Akane.

4. Because he pretended to be a player s well, of course. Would be pretty suspicious if he didn't have one, right?

5. If I remember correctly, Mira was not injected with the memory erasure drug, so if she somehow learned how the wards connect with each other, she would be able to do so. Unfortunately enough, in the one history where they find out (without finding out that the wards are actually the same location, of course - because they didn't know that yet either when the mysterious person killed them), Mira is dead - but then again, Zero did call her a collaborator, so maybe he told her how to do so in that one history.

As for the food for thought, some of them came to mind pretty quickly. The whole thing about how the X-Passes relate to who dies is pretty obvious, really - like Blue for Diana (the Blue Bird Analogy), Red for Phi (her hair color, which she has a complex about), Milk for Sigma (remember the password MILKEVOLI from VLR? Not to mention it's Klim in reverse - he's called Sigma Klim after all), Jump, Five and Doll for Junpei (Five being from his bracelet in 999, Jump probably coming from his nickname Jumpy that he got from Akane, and Doll since he gave that one to Akane when they were children), Fire and Save for Carlos should be obvious... I could go on. Unless you were really sleeping through previous Zero Escape games, you'd notice pretty quickly, I'd say.

Also, yeah - the Sigma x Phi pairing went down the drain extremely quick. When Phi and Delta were born, I initially thought they would turn out to be Sean and Quark before the names were mentioned, especially since Tenmyouji found Quark as a baby and all, and Sean kind of reminded me of Quark. After the Phi and Delta reveal came, I then thought for a while that Sean might be Chris, aka Eric's deceased brother, especially as they where talking about how the two of them would be the same age, but that turned out to be false as well. Was pretty interesting to speculate about it for a bit, though.

It's unlikely that the original Phi raised the copied Phi, to be honest - she most likely got separated from Delta, and then either grew up and died normally, or was used for further experiments. Brother being that old was due to 'special' circumstances, as he's also still alive in 2074 of VLR's history. That Phi and Delta were separated is strongly enforced by the fact that when the topic of Delta's sibling is brought up before the reveal, they are always talking about a brother, meaning what would become Left/Dio later, the child of his foster parents. Considering that a sister is never mentioned, they grew up at different places.

All-Ice was more or less an inside joke, a little bit like the Funyarinpa bit. Chances are it has always been a myth and Uchikoshi just wanted to tease us a little with Alice.

Also, the contradiction about the time lines where Delta and Phi weren't born really don't exist. You have to remember the discussion of Team C about the existence of timelines. There's two possibilities - there's only one true future (which means changing the past erases the previous future), and there's many true futures. Zero Escape assumes it's the latter. Phi and Delta were sent to the past, and as such exist for all futures that branch off from this point in the past. As long as there's now one future from that point that connects to the moment when Sigma and Diana conceive Phi and Delta, it'd create a stable time loop (which Uchikoshi did in another one of his game's before, too). A time paradox only exists if you assume that there is only one true future, really.

One little thing that has been bugging me, however - Carlos mentioned at the very beginning, I think in the history where they won the coin flip, that he knows who Zero is. But how does he know? This happens before the shift in the history with the 'final' decision game, and he wouldn't be able to tell whether Q/Delta was absent since he wouldn't be able to get a close look at the other cells the participants were trapped in (not to mention Carlos still thought at that time that Q/Delta can't walk, while Zero obviously did).
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HowlingLotus Jul 1, 2016 @ 2:50am 
I'm still thinking over everything and what I might have missed, but I'll take a crack at your questions.

1) I think I did the 3 way standoff with Q Team earlier then I was suppose to. It's where they have the weapons in the Study, and Sean shoots Q. I didn't do the part where it's revealed Sean is the one who we thought was Q, but it was made clear that Delta was Q. All three didn't seem shocked when Delta (aka Q) was shot in that scene. I think he was using his Mind Hack to hide his presence, as I don't recall anyone every mentioning him until the end.

FUN FACT (as long as I remembered this correctly) - In the Transport room when Sean reveals he couldn't kill Mira as he is a robot and bleeds white, you can hear Eric fire three times after shooting Sean. At that point Carlos was dead, Sean was probably destroyed from the shotgun blast, and Sigma+Diana were still there. I don't think Delta was revealed to be there at the time, so the three shots indicate they did know he was around (as Eric shoots himself after the 3 shots). Maybe I'm confusing that scene.

2) He wanted to kill the unknown religious fanatic who is supposed to cause a nuclear war that wipes out humanity. It wasn't clear who this was and I can't recall any hints, but I don't think they're related to Free The Soul. Delta's main goal was to ensure Phi and himself were born, but to also put in motion a timeline where humanity would be saved. Saving the world without casualities was his goal, but the other timelines were required to set everything (including VLR) in motion. The timeline where Radical-6 was released was required, a necessary evil when you look at it (as it leads to VLR and the weight that the AB Project holds).

3) Regardless if they killed him, he won. He set in motion a timeline where all 3 teams walked away unharmed, Radical-6 was never released and a plan was put in motion to prevent humanities extinction, and Delta+Phi do not create a paradox in the multiverse by being born.

He succeeded in everything he planned.

The date is the day before Young Sigma's Mind returns to 2029 in the Radical-6 timeline (aka VLR). If you recall, Akane is wearing a Free The Soul robe in the True Ending (to VLR) on April 13, 2029 while explaining to Sigma that they need to spend the next 4 1/2 decades preparing. Who knows what she found out, but I'm guessing it was enough to understand what the stakes were. Delta might have seen himself as a god? Maybe it was Aliens, given their part in the game? This is up for debate as I don't think Akane ever mentions anything about the meeting in any game.

4) See point 1. I would have to go back and see how often they refer to Sean as Q throughout the timelines, but I think he used his Mind Hack ability for the most part. It would be cool if he was using his Mind Hack on us, the player, to make us oblivious to him and to make us think Sean was Q.

5) Delta said he gave Mira free range, BUT WASN'T giving her drugs (or at least wasn't giving the memory erasing one). It was confirmed that it was her who ran around killing everyone in that timeline.


In regards to your Food For Thought part:
> This is how I interrupted the Phi part. The original Phi and Delta die with Sigma and Diana in 2029. The 1904 Phi is a copy of the original, and the 2008 Phi is a copy of the copy. The 1904 Phi grows up and becomes a scientist, eventually working in a facility in the US that is researching the Transporter. I believe the old Phi who grew up from 1904 is possibly the old woman who raised the 2008 baby Phi. Wouldn't that be awesome, but also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane!? (It does state the 2008 Phi was sent to the same facility the 1904 Phi was working at)

> I think it works in the same sense as 999. Akane was already saved and never dies in the True Ending, BUT she needs to recreate the Nonary game to create all the timelines she saw as a child (to prevent a paradox).

Delta and Phi are in a similar situation. Delta needs to recreate the Neveda Test Site to ensure the various timelines exist, including the one him and Phi are born (and the Radical-6 timeline to make sure everything come full circle). Due to the power behind his ability, I imagine he was able to gather everything he needed from other Espers and SHIFTers throughout time. Remember, he exists as far back as 1904. I believe he was involved with the events of 999 as well, whether direct or indirectly due to Free The Souls.

> All-Ice. I think the story of her was true, but I don't believe she is Alice. If I remember, the All-Ice story was about a preserved Egyptian Priestess. She was suppose to be hidden away on the Gigantic, but it sank during the first Nonary Game.

> I noticed the pattern for the X Codes too. Kind of bummed they didn't play a bigger role, or one I haven't figured out yet.

> I share your thoughts for the fan art, but can't blame people. I did have it as one of my theories back in VLR, but I didn't think it would come true. I do know they confirmed Phi and Sigma would never be a couple..... can't say we weren't warned (sort of).


End rant :squirtyay:
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HowlingLotus Jul 1, 2016 @ 2:54am 
Originally posted by Jindujun93:
One little thing that has been bugging me, however - Carlos mentioned at the very beginning, I think in the history where they won the coin flip, that he knows who Zero is. But how does he know? This happens before the shift in the history with the 'final' decision game, and he wouldn't be able to tell whether Q/Delta was absent since he wouldn't be able to get a close look at the other cells the participants were trapped in (not to mention Carlos still thought at that time that Q/Delta can't walk, while Zero obviously did).

It's possible he SHIFTed there during all the shenanigans with C team moving all over the place. I didn't remember that, so I applaud you for remembering. Would have to think on it some more.
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Really thank you both and the question with regards to Carlos, I'd think he shifted at some point(it could be maybe the apocolypse ending when he comes to get Akane and Junpei out when Radical 6 came, maybe) but still unclear.

So I think now I finally understood that Delta was Q the whole time XD XD
So from what I understand about Q as delta vs Q as Sean. In the game we had 9 participants(before the game we know about the blind/deaf old man briefly), we know that Team D and C never saw Sean so I get that they might of assumed that Delta was Q, but what about Team Q itself? I mean they could conclude that it should be weird having 4 people in the team when they know the number's don't add up(unless the memory wipe drug made them forget about Q(delta) and replace it by Q(sean)) or mindcontrol hack.

And then comes the whole ?? character from the end of VLR, Akane said he/she plays a big role there, I did not notice this.
sergamar23 Jul 1, 2016 @ 6:44am 
Originally posted by =FNS= Bros:
And then comes the whole ?? character from the end of VLR, Akane said he/she plays a big role there, I did not notice this.
I started thinking about that, and I recalled the Q room in VLR. What if the quantum computer on Q room was Sean's Quantum computer, and Akane or Sigma Sr. links it to Kyle, giving him Sean's counciousness? I think ?? went into Sean's body at some point, but every posiblities i have thougth don't fit well.
Ro9ge Jul 1, 2016 @ 6:53am 
1. You can see the shadow of Q's chair a lot, actually.

3. The game ended with the moral of choosing your own destiny, so no, we don't.

4. Because he was a participant in the game with everybody else. He obviously didn't get injected, but he was Q the whole time, and was the actual person listed as dead or alive on the monitor for Q. The other teams never knew who Sean was or saw him, so they thought Q was the old man and even talked about how Q couldn't see or hear at one point. Also, Q-team mentions how it's impossible for Q to do anything at a few points - like voting, or killing Mira. Also, when talking to C-team towards the end of their ending, he says that he's dead in this timeline - because whenever all of Q-team died, Q/Zero/Delta died as well.

Notes: Yes, Phi raised herself. They basically confirmed this in the text post-game files.

Here's the X-codes, copied from a reddit post by The_Gear on the Zero Escape subreddit:

Carlos - DREAM, SHIFT, FIRE, HERO, SAVE, FIGHT
Junpei - QUARK, RING, FIVE, HATE*, DOLL, JUMP
Akane - KEY, SIX, CRASH, HEAL*, JUNE
Diana - BIRD, MOM, MOON, BLUE
Phi - TWIN, DEAR, TIME, FUTURE, RED
Sigma - OLD, ARM, DAD, FATE, MILK
Q - SELF, AGE, EYE
Eric - LAKE, LOVE, ICE, FOOL, POOR
Mira - RIP, HEART, KILL, VIRGIN
*These two aren't actually spoken aloud, just seen from a distance in cutscenes as someone goes through the X door, so I'm not 100% sure they're correct.

Huh. Actually quite a lot of spoiler hints in there.
Jindujun93 Jul 1, 2016 @ 7:23am 
Originally posted by Ro9ge:
4. Because he was a participant in the game with everybody else. He obviously didn't get injected, but he was Q the whole time, and was the actual person listed as dead or alive on the monitor for Q. The other teams never knew who Sean was or saw him, so they thought Q was the old man and even talked about how Q couldn't see or hear at one point. Also, Q-team mentions how it's impossible for Q to do anything at a few points - like voting, or killing Mira. Also, when talking to C-team towards the end of their ending, he says that he's dead in this timeline - because whenever all of Q-team died, Q/Zero/Delta died as well.

To add another example to this, take the node with four branches where Sean, Eric and Mira point the crossbow, grenade launcher and gun at each other. If you enter 'me' or 'myself' when asked who Sean should shoot, the game replies that you can't commit suicide, however if you enter 'Q', the game prompts you to enter Q's real name.
Queen Jul 1, 2016 @ 7:55am 
My 2c:

1. Junpei/Carlos had the best lines in ZTD. Essentially they were the Sigma/Phi from VLR
2. Carlos = World's best wingman.

Rain // Jul 1, 2016 @ 8:42am 
The Delta thing isn't a paradox because the teleporter sends people to other histories. The one we we get to see in that example is presumably a Delta from a variant of the twins timeline, and he goes about ensuring his continued existence in another history, 'cause his bros are doin' the same for him, yo.

I guess the point is that we are simply observing a very small amount of histories that are plot relevant to fixing one specific history that has a radical-6 outbreak. There are infinite worlds with Deltas, infinite worlds without, and as Akane(?) talks about at one point, infinite worlds where humans never existed at all.
jbkilroy Jul 1, 2016 @ 10:58am 
Questions I had:

Who decapitated Junpei? I don't think I remember that scenario.

Why did Q/Delta kill Mira and put her in the pod?

Didn't Q/Delta admit that he was 'Brother' the head of Free The Soul? He mentioned he had someone who was 'like a younger brother to him' who was killed (to maintain continuity with VLR). Who was his brother? And what was Brother's motive in VLR to send Dio to the facility? Why did he care if the AB game was successful or not?

Where were Alice and Clover? Akane said she could send them to the past with a 'Schrodinger's Cat'-like mechanism, but we never see anything come of it. I took this to mean that there would be a random chance that their pods would open early so they could have a history where they lived normally.
sergamar23 Jul 1, 2016 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by jbkilroy:
Questions I had:

Who decapitated Junpei? I don't think I remember that scenario.

Delta says that is Mira who decapitates Junpei

I think Delta did it to stop Mira and avoid more killings by her, but I don't remember if it's said

About the spoiler, I have the same questions
jbkilroy Jul 1, 2016 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by sergamar23:
Originally posted by jbkilroy:
Questions I had:

Who decapitated Junpei? I don't think I remember that scenario.

Delta says that is Mira who decapitates Junpei

I think Delta did it to stop Mira and avoid more killings by her, but I don't remember if it's said

About the spoiler, I have the same questions

The whole 'Mira was a collaborator so she can cross between wards to eliminate plot holes' feels like a cop out to me.
Rain // Jul 1, 2016 @ 11:24am 
Q's brother was the son of his adoptive parents in 1904.

Dio had to be there to murder Akane/plant all the bombs to give everyone else a common enemy and help trust each other for the true end. It also spiced up the threat for foce Sigma and Phi's jumping. In the wost case scenario, a preserved Radical-6 pandemic timeline is also good for Q as 2 billion people survive.

If the AB game was a success then it set up the true end of ZTD, Q probably never wanted to stop it, although Dio was led to believe as much. It's success allowed for a potential future without nuclear war/radical-6.

It is entirely possible they are already back in the past in a different history, just not the one we are shown. Alice and Clover were about to raid Free the Soul prior to being captured, which would have stopped the events of ZTD happening. They may also wake up after or during the game in the same timeline.
Jindujun93 Jul 1, 2016 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by jbkilroy:
Didn't Q/Delta admit that he was 'Brother' the head of Free The Soul? He mentioned he had someone who was 'like a younger brother to him' who was killed (to maintain continuity with VLR). Who was his brother? And what was Brother's motive in VLR to send Dio to the facility? Why did he care if the AB game was successful or not?

Where were Alice and Clover? Akane said she could send them to the past with a 'Schrodinger's Cat'-like mechanism, but we never see anything come of it. I took this to mean that there would be a random chance that their pods would open early so they could have a history where they lived normally.

Just because Delta has a 'brother' doesn't mean that the game has to show him, especially because said brother is already dead for a long time by the point Zero Time Dilemma starts. To clarify, the brother is the son of Delta's foster parents after he was sent back in time. We don't know who the older one was (though Brother did raise Left, but it might be that they were just close in age and Brother more responsible), but Left died when Brother turned 16, so in 1920. As to why Dio was sent to the facility, it's probably to introduce another element of danger to the AB project, as you have to remember that danger is one of the things needed for the SHIFT phenomenom. Radical-6 alone might or might not have been enough, with the bomb threat that Dio introduced however, there was more than enough. Keep in mind that it's very relevant to Brother whether the AB game is a success or not - if something goes wrong and Dr. Klim can't SHIFT into the past, Brother might not even be born, as Brother was born from Diana and Sigma with the mind of his 67-year old version, Dr. Klim. Now one might ask - the body is still Sigma, so why is this important? But as you know: One single snail can make a world go extinct. In that way it's very similar to the Nonary Game of 999, where Akane had to recreate everything she saw 9 years prior faithfully.

As for Alice and Clover, they probably did get out, but just continued to live on normally. They weren't needed for the events at Dcom, only for the AB game, so it technically makes sense that their fate isn't mentioned. If anything, the absence of Kyle is more bothersome.

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Originally posted by jbkilroy:

Didn't Q/Delta admit that he was 'Brother' the head of Free The Soul? He mentioned he had someone who was 'like a younger brother to him' who was killed (to maintain continuity with VLR). Who was his brother? And what was Brother's motive in VLR to send Dio to the facility? Why did he care if the AB game was successful or not?
Yes, Delta is Brother. That person who was "like a brother to him" is most likely his adopted brother Left, because I believe it was mentioned that they family that raised Delta and 1904 Phi had a child themselves. The AB Project being a success is vital to Delta's plans, since they require old Sigma to be a participant in the Decision Game. For the plan to be a success, Dio HAS to be sent to the facility.
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