Moments I can't understand.

[AVtechNICK]

1) In C-END: 1 Zero mentions that "in this history he was executed by Carlos". But how exactly Carlos did that?
2) The post ending cinema file says that Sean decided to return back in time via transporter to prevent the Eric's mother murder by Mira. Doesn't it create any time paradoxes even in different history?
3) ... and wasn't that transporter taken away with everything in shelter into unknown place?

[Hekatonkheires]

I don't have the timeline right now to check, but I believe 1 refers to the C-team vote to execute Q-team...Which Zero caused Carlos to do.

2) Would basically undo the entire timeline of the series if she succeeded. But since many-worlds is in action, irrelevant to any of the currently existing timelines.

3) I guess they'll have to find it, while being wanted fugitives.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

1. Because Carlos chose to execute Q-Team. As Zero was with Q-Team, he was executed along with everyone else.
2. MIRA decided to go back in time to prevent her from killing her first victim. And no, that doesn't cause any paradoxes thanks to multiverse theory.
3. Maybe Carlos didn't kill Delta, and he'd attempt to help them. I dunno.

[Rev]

2) No paradoxes. At the moment she get there she'll create new timeline and because she traveled from another timeline there is no paradox inside that timeline. You can think like there will be she and her clone in that universe. I mean game hinted that Phi ver.2009 was raised by Phi ver.1904 and it was ok.
3) Sean said he found out where it is and it's because he knows it he suggest this travel.

[Fhoenix]

What I don't get: Does Zero sit through every escape room with Q team and nobody bothers him because he is disabled? The story sure makes it look like it. With Sean shooting him in the middle of escape sequence like he was always there.
I thought maybe he was doing a Jedi mind trick on the characters. But he says he can only control people for a moment but reads thoughts constantly. And without mind control I find it hard to believe that nobody suspects him even if he is supposedly blind and deaf.

[UnLuckyCat]

Delta님이 먼저 게시:

2. MIRA decided to go back in time to prevent her from killing her first victim. And no, that doesn't cause any paradoxes thanks to multiverse theory.

If that's true, then Delta never had to make the Decision Game in order to have the twins born in that timeline because it already happened in another timeline thanks to multiverse theory. They would have been born and sent back in time regardless, branching off history at that point, and if he absolutely needed the DG to give himself powers then he wouldn't have any powers in some timelines and would be unable to create the DG and be unable to give himself the power to create the DG to give himself powers.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

UnLuckyCat님이 먼저 게시:

Delta님이 먼저 게시:

2. MIRA decided to go back in time to prevent her from killing her first victim. And no, that doesn't cause any paradoxes thanks to multiverse theory.

If that's true, then Delta never had to make the Decision Game in order to have the twins born in that timeline because it already happened in another timeline thanks to multiverse theory. They would have been born and sent back in time regardless, branching off history at that point, and if he absolutely needed the DG to give himself powers then he wouldn't have any powers in some timelines and would be unable to create the DG and be unable to give himself the power to create the DG to give himself powers.

However, he had to create the game so that they could be born as a SHIFTer and a Mind Hacker. They had to be born in that exact way, and the only way to do thta is to create the game.

[UnLuckyCat]

But if he was already created from a timeline where he is born with super powers, he has no need to make the game, cause the timeline already branched out when he was sent back in time. Not creating the game wouldn't cause a paradox thanks to multiverse theory.

[Rox]

Yeah, Delta had to make the Decision Game. He had to make a timeline wherein he forces Sigma and Diana to give birth to himself and Phi. Just like how Akane had to make the second Nonary Game and create a timeline wherein Junpei could save her life.

[UnLuckyCat]

So how can that be true, but Mira going back and stopping herself from being a serial killer wouldn't also do the same thing? If she doesn't kill, then the Decision Game never happens and then she has no reason to go back in time to stop herself from being a serial killer, causing the DG to happen which makes her go back in time so that it doesn't.

Does she like flip a coin to see if she really goes through with it? Then how is that atonement at all? May as well just not try to stop herself after all, and jump to a timeline where she decided not to do it for other reasons.

[Rox]

The Zero Escape series is weird with its interpretation of the Many Worlds Theory.

Basically, there has to be at least one timeline wherein something happens in order for others to occur. And while undoing that in one timeline will probably prevent those events from occuring, it doesn't wipe out that timeline, just makes a new one.

Take the fact that Sigma's elder consciousness still resides in his 22 year old body despite being in several timelines wherein the events that lead to Virtue's Last Reward don't occur. The events that lead to Virtue's Last Reward still happen and his consciousness jumps back to a point before that timeline occurs so it can happen.

[Rev]

Kanaev님이 먼저 게시:

Well, she jumps to timeline where she's ready to kill and stops herself from doing it. Thus preventing deaths of several people by Mira and quite possibly whole Decision game

She will stop her only in that timeline. Timeline where she wasn't stopped will still exist.

[Rox]

Kanaev님이 먼저 게시:

If you start going from "whatever, it's still exists in some other timeline" - everything loses it's meaning. "Who cares if humanity is gonna be destroyed? In some timeline it wouldn't be".

A timeline needs to be created for it to exist, though.

[Rev]

Kanaev님이 먼저 게시:

If you start going from "whatever, it's still exists in some other timeline" - everything loses it's meaning. "Who cares if humanity is gonna be destroyed? In some timeline it wouldn't be".

It's egoistical thing to make yourself feel better or change your life/past as you wish it to be and live in it. Yeah, you don't need it for mankind or just to create possibility, but you may want it to feel better yourself or for your current consciousness to get in the better world to live.

Rollout님이 먼저 게시:

A timeline needs to be created for it to exist, though.

But it was already created. Multiverse theory states all possible outcomes is presented in other timelines from the moment you made a decision. So from the moment Mira decided to kill someone first time timeline with opposite decision exists and there is no need to travel and stop her to create it. Travelling will simply create even more timelines where will be two Miras.

[Rox]

Rev님이 먼저 게시:

Kanaev님이 먼저 게시:

If you start going from "whatever, it's still exists in some other timeline" - everything loses it's meaning. "Who cares if humanity is gonna be destroyed? In some timeline it wouldn't be".

It's egoistical thing to make yourself feel better or change your life/past as you wish it to be and live in it. Yeah, you don't need it for mankind or just to create possibility, but you may want it to feel better yourself or for your current consciousness to get in the better world to live.

Rollout님이 먼저 게시:

A timeline needs to be created for it to exist, though.

But it was already created. Multiverse theory states all possible outcomes is presented in other timelines from the moment you made a decision. So from the moment Mira decided to kill someone first time timeline with opposite decision exists and there is no need to travel and stop her to create it. Travelling will simply create even more timelines where will be two Miras.

Yes, and the point of these games is to observe the timeline has been created or not. It's Schrodinger's Timeline. It exists and doesn't exist until we see it happen.

[Rev]

Rollout님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, and the point of these games is to observe the timeline has been created or not. It's Schrodinger's Timeline. It exists and doesn't exist until we see it happen.

It have been always existing. It's multiverse theory: every possible timeline already exist. Simply because there is that one timeline where any password was GUESSED on pure luck instead of some knowledge from other timelines all outcomes will happen for sure and even more of them is presented in never seen by players timelines.

The point of this game is simply to tell an interesting story about one of shifters timelines. Like, example, AB game, we have only two timelines with different votes. But by default two timelines with two other outcomes there they vote the same exist too. Game director/storywriter just decided it's no fun to show them.