The Haymaker

[Novaren]

Please Treyarch, do something about the Haymaker, its absolute BS because it has no recoil and you cant go one game without seeing it. Please nerf it hardly or remove it!

[WhenYou'reGood]

please nerf it

[Ave]

it needs 3 hits at close range to kill, any smg can outdamage it.

[EagleEye]

i agree, nerf the haymaker. It's way too op cuz of the high rate of fire and no need to aim with it cuz of its large spray...literally just spray and pray. If ur within range of someone using it ur a dead man, no way to excape it. I don't want to use it but im forced to cuz of all the noobs that use it so i make them get a taste of there own medicine. Ruins the game for me and for most other ppl.

[baylife]

+1

[Penny]

only noobs cant beat this gun with an SMG or Assault rifle. stop missing and you will destroy the haymaker. It has low dps... treyarch even buffed it last patch because the fire rate was too low.. not enough dps.

[Kerb]

the haymaker wouldn't be as much of a problem if it wasn't for other mechanic decisions that deviate away from the norm.

The game is missing a lot of things that old COD's had to counter such things.

Best counter to the haymaker though is to stand about 20-30ft away, they can't touch you. so when you see them, don't go charging in....realize that they can't touch you from a distance and use that knowledge to calmly take them down.

Problem is, the maps all are basically coordoor shooters, which means you're not going to find too much open space with distance. kind of a joke to even have sniper guns since there isn't even really a distance in any map to justify them, they basically have zero advantage anywhere.

What they need to do is give the haymaker more bullet spread and a slightly slower fire rate with a slightly smaller clip, and halve the total spawning ammo.

they kind of catered to noobs and spammers on BO3 design decisions. They made it so you don't need skill, so that you can't survive long even if you do have skill unless you camp hard, and so that people can spam the heck out of SMG/nades everywhere.

[TheClap]

sniper rage ? or camper rage ? or both ?

[Penny]

Originally posted by CORE:

the haymaker wouldn't be as much of a problem if it wasn't for other mechanic decisions that deviate away from the norm.

The game is missing a lot of things that old COD's had to counter such things.

Best counter to the haymaker though is to stand about 20-30ft away, they can't touch you. so when you see them, don't go charging in....realize that they can't touch you from a distance and use that knowledge to calmly take them down.

Problem is, the maps all are basically coordoor shooters, which means you're not going to find too much open space with distance. kind of a joke to even have sniper guns since there isn't even really a distance in any map to justify them, they basically have zero advantage anywhere.

What they need to do is give the haymaker more bullet spread and a slightly slower fire rate with a slightly smaller clip, and halve the total spawning ammo.

they kind of catered to noobs and spammers on BO3 design decisions. They made it so you don't need skill, so that you can't survive long even if you do have skill unless you camp hard, and so that people can spam the heck out of SMG/nades everywhere.

Well all that stuff you said would make sense if the gun was actually the best close quarters gun.. but as it stands the haymakers dps is lower then that of any other gun apart from some of the other shotguns and snipers.. (they make up for this by having single shot kill capability).

so I mean you sound like a pretty intelligent guy. if you could explain to me why the gun needs a nerf when the machine pistol as secondary weapon actually outdamages it from all ranges. It kills with the exact same amount of bullets at close range (which is 3) but the rate of fire is obviously way way higher. The haymaker has pretty low rate of fire for an automatic weapon ..it just makes me think.. have YOU even used this gun yet? and if not why are you calling for a nerf? I mean it takes like 6-7 bullets at medium range already.. where as the machine pistol takes 4-5.

I just used the machine pistol as an example because i have a bit of experience with it but tbh you could have chosen nearly any gun (the kn44, the VMP, the vesper, the gorgon) all have greater damage at all ranges.

The greatest advantage of the haymaker is the spread but you still really need to center the shot correctly or you will miss all but 2 or so pellets which do laughable damage.

Just to be clear.. im not attacking you at all, I just want to get a grasp on why some people want this gun nerfed as it already has some of the lowest dps.

[l3loodreign]

Originally posted by Gaz Ablett Sr.:

Originally posted by CORE:

the haymaker wouldn't be as much of a problem if it wasn't for other mechanic decisions that deviate away from the norm.

The game is missing a lot of things that old COD's had to counter such things.

Best counter to the haymaker though is to stand about 20-30ft away, they can't touch you. so when you see them, don't go charging in....realize that they can't touch you from a distance and use that knowledge to calmly take them down.

Problem is, the maps all are basically coordoor shooters, which means you're not going to find too much open space with distance. kind of a joke to even have sniper guns since there isn't even really a distance in any map to justify them, they basically have zero advantage anywhere.

What they need to do is give the haymaker more bullet spread and a slightly slower fire rate with a slightly smaller clip, and halve the total spawning ammo.

they kind of catered to noobs and spammers on BO3 design decisions. They made it so you don't need skill, so that you can't survive long even if you do have skill unless you camp hard, and so that people can spam the heck out of SMG/nades everywhere.

Well all that stuff you said would make sense if the gun was actually the best close quarters gun.. but as it stands the haymakers dps is lower then that of any other gun apart from some of the other shotguns and snipers.. (they make up for this by having single shot kill capability).

so I mean you sound like a pretty intelligent guy. if you could explain to me why the gun needs a nerf when the machine pistol as secondary weapon actually outdamages it from all ranges. It kills with the exact same amount of bullets at close range (which is 3) but the rate of fire is obviously way way higher. The haymaker has pretty low rate of fire for an automatic weapon ..it just makes me think.. have YOU even used this gun yet? and if not why are you calling for a nerf? I mean it takes like 6-7 bullets at medium range already.. where as the machine pistol takes 4-5.

I just used the machine pistol as an example because i have a bit of experience with it but tbh you could have chosen nearly any gun (the kn44, the VMP, the vesper, the gorgon) all have greater damage at all ranges.

The greatest advantage of the haymaker is the spread but you still really need to center the shot correctly or you will miss all but 2 or so pellets which do laughable damage.

Just to be clear.. im not attacking you at all, I just want to get a grasp on why some people want this gun nerfed as it already has some of the lowest dps.

Well let's approach it from the perspective that the haymaker is almost exclusively hipfire, there isn't toughness in the game. No toughness means that hipfire got a whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ better than it was in previous games.

Haymaker has a 3 shot kill 16 shot clip, 5 kills in one clip if you're conservative.... Now try doing that with any other gun in the game that is automatic.

[Virtex.]

the fact from beta till now they said they nerfed it cause it was op but it still OP i dont think they done anything to it lol

[spiderguard]

Originally posted by Novaren:

Please Treyarch, do something about the Haymaker, its absolute BS because it has no recoil and you cant go one game without seeing it. Please nerf it hardly or remove it!

Hi,

Treyarch doesn't read steam forums, stupid.

[PlaceHolder]

Lets take it like this: every noob on the planet that loves to show how much he sucks on the game, just uses the haymaker. Is that simple, thats how you know it. That's how they show their pride of sucking hard. Haha.

[Danny]

This shotgun Is doing what a shotgun is good at, Make it Bad so it doesn't Allow any Shotfun.


But seriously I havn't had any issue with Dealing against Haymakers, I've seen a few And yes the fire rate is Fast, But that ♥♥♥♥ takes 8 Shots ot kill past like 7 meters xD The only reason its "OP" is becasue You're either within 5 meters and The enemy got shots off before you, Or You're just Not hittinng your own shots.

It really doesnt need a nerf, and I've never even used the thing.

[Novaren]

Originally posted by theclapsbigballs:

sniper rage ? or camper rage ? or both ?

Neither, just a guy thats sick of the whole entire enemy team jumping around with the haymaker.

[ODIDO PEEK]

The gun should be removed or nerfed a lot. Nuk3town is unplayable because everybody is running with that thing. When that thing hits you from it's maximum distance you get a ♥♥♥♥-load of flinch... how to ♥♥♥♥ are we supposed to out-aim that ♥♥♥♥?
This is why we need dedicated servers that we can run ourselves. If a gun or item is unbalanced, we simply put it in the ban list so you can't use it.