There are some seriously petty little men in this world

[ralgur]

I assume it's not women trying to review bomb the game. If there are petty little women, then so be it.

I am not a fan of where the game is. You people gripe about $39.99? Try having paid $1,000 for the game back in 2014 based on your faith that Brad would deliver. Instead, here we are. Brad is gone. The vision is gone. The people developing the game now are not Brad, nor do they truly know his vision. That died with Brad.

I think the graphics are very cartoony. They are not appealing to me. Character models are awful. The combat is not overly fun. But you know what? It is what it is. Buying the game on Steam just to leave a temper tantrum diatribe of a review shows just how pathetic some of you are. Steam ought to make a special exception for this game where if you buy it and then leave a bad review, guess what? No refund. This review bombing crap is beyond childish.

You don't like the game? Fine. Don't buy it. Move on. Stop trying to sabotage something that others DO LIKE. It's selfish and frankly evil. You should be ashamed of your trite little selves. Others can make their own minds up. They don't need all you little trolls buying the game long enough to crap on it, and then refunding it. If I see "product refunded", I am 100% skeptical. You didn't play the game long enough to know if it's good. You just got an initial impression and ragged on it. This isn't World of Warcraft. You actually have to play intelligently. You won't get everything in game done solo. It was NEVER intended to be that game.

One can only hope that Steam removes their collective heads from their butts and puts an end to this nonsense out of you sppiled brats who have nothing better to do than sit around review bombing crap, trying to sabotage the hard work that has been put in. These devs have fought an uphill battle. Rumors abound. Brad snorted the kickstarter money up his nose... that sort of thing. They have made tremendous progress in the time since he died. Honestly, his vision was all smoke and mirrors. He tried to live on the coat tails of his prior success with EQ. He assumed if he took a dump in a plate and called it an MMO, people would flock to it.

I hope this game succeeds like gangbusters and has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Am I optimistic that this will happen? Honestly? No. But I sure do hope so. It's not about the $1,000 I put into the game at this point. It's about the game being so successful that all you trolls out to try to ruin someone else's fun can be proven wrong.

[Bonk™]

Publicado originalmente por Ravenheart:

Publicado originalmente por sethdean0:

Game will simply not do well because the upfront cost of a game. Im interested, but i have to spend $40 for a alpha state game. didnt set themselves up for success from the start.

Because it hasn't launched yet, the price tag now is for funding and testing. How do people not understand this? We've become desensitized to the EA tag on games the same way people ignore warning labels on products.

There’s nothing to be tested in the game because the very foundation of the game is far too incomplete. I can say that the tab-target combat works, and that’s about it.

The fact that it’s a game with no tools whatsoever also prevents players from testing anything. How is a player supposed to identify if something is bugged or not working as intended when there’s absolutely nowhere to find out how it’s supposed to work?

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por justdrop:

Publicado originalmente por Ravenheart:

Because it hasn't launched yet, the price tag now is for funding and testing. How do people not understand this? We've become desensitized to the EA tag on games the same way people ignore warning labels on products.

Since this is supposed to be "old school" the "old school" way of testing was to either have people sign NDAs and pay them or have invite only testing. Seems you want to have the new school way of things.

Paying testers outside of a QA department? LOL that hasn't been done since the mid 90's and never really for MMOs.

UO, EQ, etc... didn't alpha/beta with paid testers, so that really isn't "old school" in terms of MMOs. MMOs have always been free help from testers in that respect.

I agree though, EA should be more of a polishing thing, and I also agree it shouldn't be a paid process, but... here we are and that is the standard these days, a company refusing this practice if it can benefit them would be foolish.

At this point, quibbling over the EA and the state of the game is pointless. Question is, what will they do with it? How will things turn out?

Time will tell.

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por justdrop:

Publicado originalmente por Tanist:

Paying testers outside of a QA department? LOL that hasn't been done since the mid 90's and never really for MMOs.

Hello, welcome to the point. They want to push this as old school, yet play by all the new school rules and have their fans whine about anyone who can't do the bipolar flip they can. And yes, it was done for MMOs, you just weren't an internal tester.

Internal testers are a QA department. In the "old days" they were onsite staff that were small and paid by the company.

Since the inception of MMOs, public beta testing programs were free.

I have Alpha/Beta tested many MMOs back then. I was in EQ closed Betas (single zone, no sound, hardly anything working) and they weren't paid. I beta'd family alpha for DDO as well. And Anarchy online, Lineage, Asherons Call 1/2, Dark Age of Camelot, Ultima Online beta, Final Fantasy, LotRO Alpha, and many many more.

All of them had NDA's, some of them had long applications to fill out, and then required reporting tasks while playing, but the point is that QA onsite staff isn't "old school" and claiming that everyone has to be paid to play in order for them to be "true" is just a point to be silly on so you can proclaim victory.

Times change, EA is commonly done now, its a tool, good or bad it would be stupid for them to not use it if it can benefit them.

Old school is about gaming... the game play, its design and function. So when you go off about "old school", that would be the point to focus on, the games design itself.

[CheckRaise]

Publicado originalmente por Recoil36:

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

- Ten years in development
- The head guy died
probably drugs
- Never hit the kickstarter goal
that happens
- Looks worse than EQ2 from 2002? 2003?
I think it looks better then eq2 launch
- They want $40 for a pre-alpha and the game will be like that for 2 years minimum
You don't know that.
- A subscription after launch
We don't know that.
Let me remind you ff14 was in development a total of 6 years to create with a lot more funding then this game had.


These are all red flags in my book.

Brad was pretty much the guy behind EQ1. People can try and follow his vision, but at the end of the day you are going to take a gamble on it.

I would rather see an EQ1 remaster like they did for Diablo 2. Build it in Unreal 5 engine (There are already demos of this) and make a lot of QoL improvements, bug fixes and add quests.

[Kittah has Claws]

Publicado originalmente por ralgur:

I assume it's not women trying to review bomb the game. If there are petty little women, then so be it.

I am not a fan of where the game is. You people gripe about $39.99? Try having paid $1,000 for the game back in 2014 based on your faith that Brad would deliver. Instead, here we are. Brad is gone. The vision is gone. The people developing the game now are not Brad, nor do they truly know his vision. That died with Brad.

I think the graphics are very cartoony. They are not appealing to me. Character models are awful. The combat is not overly fun. But you know what? It is what it is. Buying the game on Steam just to leave a temper tantrum diatribe of a review shows just how pathetic some of you are. Steam ought to make a special exception for this game where if you buy it and then leave a bad review, guess what? No refund. This review bombing crap is beyond childish.

You don't like the game? Fine. Don't buy it. Move on. Stop trying to sabotage something that others DO LIKE. It's selfish and frankly evil. You should be ashamed of your trite little selves. Others can make their own minds up. They don't need all you little trolls buying the game long enough to crap on it, and then refunding it. If I see "product refunded", I am 100% skeptical. You didn't play the game long enough to know if it's good. You just got an initial impression and ragged on it. This isn't World of Warcraft. You actually have to play intelligently. You won't get everything in game done solo. It was NEVER intended to be that game.

One can only hope that Steam removes their collective heads from their butts and puts an end to this nonsense out of you sppiled brats who have nothing better to do than sit around review bombing crap, trying to sabotage the hard work that has been put in. These devs have fought an uphill battle. Rumors abound. Brad snorted the kickstarter money up his nose... that sort of thing. They have made tremendous progress in the time since he died. Honestly, his vision was all smoke and mirrors. He tried to live on the coat tails of his prior success with EQ. He assumed if he took a dump in a plate and called it an MMO, people would flock to it.

I hope this game succeeds like gangbusters and has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Am I optimistic that this will happen? Honestly? No. But I sure do hope so. It's not about the $1,000 I put into the game at this point. It's about the game being so successful that all you trolls out to try to ruin someone else's fun can be proven wrong.

Thank you so much for your post, I was seriously on the fense about buying into this, then I read your diatribe and decided to just walk away..

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

Publicado originalmente por Recoil36:

Brad was pretty much the guy behind EQ1. People can try and follow his vision, but at the end of the day you are going to take a gamble on it.

I would rather see an EQ1 remaster like they did for Diablo 2. Build it in Unreal 5 engine (There are already demos of this) and make a lot of QoL improvements, bug fixes and add quests.

Monsters & Memories is a unity project, but essentially recreating the EQ in a "remaster" sense. Obviously due to copyright, the game isn't EQ, but if you look closely, it is EQ in everything by name only.

The zones are similar in style and flavor, combat, mechanics, etc... all EQ like in pretty much every way (and faithfully sought after). That may be something up your ally, I know I am interested in it.

The nice thing is that it won't be EQ in terms of repeat content, just EQ of the time with new content.

They even started the project out with the goal of seeing if they could create EQ in a new client and server, but decided to just run with it and make a new game that is EQ in all but name.

[Katana7]

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

- Ten years in development
- The head guy died
- Never hit the kickstarter goal
- Looks worse than EQ2 from 2002? 2003?
- They want $40 for a pre-alpha and the game will be like that for 2 years minimum
- A subscription after launch

These are all red flags in my book.

So don't buy or play it?

[omgitsbees]

Publicado originalmente por ralgur:

I assume it's not women trying to review bomb the game. If there are petty little women, then so be it.

I am not a fan of where the game is. You people gripe about $39.99? Try having paid $1,000 for the game back in 2014 based on your faith that Brad would deliver. Instead, here we are. Brad is gone. The vision is gone. The people developing the game now are not Brad, nor do they truly know his vision. That died with Brad.

I think the graphics are very cartoony. They are not appealing to me. Character models are awful. The combat is not overly fun. But you know what? It is what it is. Buying the game on Steam just to leave a temper tantrum diatribe of a review shows just how pathetic some of you are. Steam ought to make a special exception for this game where if you buy it and then leave a bad review, guess what? No refund. This review bombing crap is beyond childish.

You don't like the game? Fine. Don't buy it. Move on. Stop trying to sabotage something that others DO LIKE. It's selfish and frankly evil. You should be ashamed of your trite little selves. Others can make their own minds up. They don't need all you little trolls buying the game long enough to crap on it, and then refunding it. If I see "product refunded", I am 100% skeptical. You didn't play the game long enough to know if it's good. You just got an initial impression and ragged on it. This isn't World of Warcraft. You actually have to play intelligently. You won't get everything in game done solo. It was NEVER intended to be that game.

One can only hope that Steam removes their collective heads from their butts and puts an end to this nonsense out of you sppiled brats who have nothing better to do than sit around review bombing crap, trying to sabotage the hard work that has been put in. These devs have fought an uphill battle. Rumors abound. Brad snorted the kickstarter money up his nose... that sort of thing. They have made tremendous progress in the time since he died. Honestly, his vision was all smoke and mirrors. He tried to live on the coat tails of his prior success with EQ. He assumed if he took a dump in a plate and called it an MMO, people would flock to it.

I hope this game succeeds like gangbusters and has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Am I optimistic that this will happen? Honestly? No. But I sure do hope so. It's not about the $1,000 I put into the game at this point. It's about the game being so successful that all you trolls out to try to ruin someone else's fun can be proven wrong.

game isnt good, sorry op

[Recoil36]

Publicado originalmente por Mentally Impaired Tiny Troll:

Publicado originalmente por Recoil36:

Let me remind you ff14 was in development a total of 6 years to create with a lot more funding then this game had.

Final Fantasy XIV's initial launch was such a disaster that they had to shut it down within a year and remake it, and Square Enix has been hobbling along financially since.
I'd pick a better example.

that is exactly what I am trying to say. FF14 1.0 was trash. After the initial launch they had to shut the game down and rebuild it for two years on top of the 1.0 version. This game was also a lot more funded then Pantheon

[#stog]

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

- Ten years in development
- The head guy died
- Never hit the kickstarter goal
- Looks worse than EQ2 from 2002? 2003?
- They want $40 for a pre-alpha and the game will be like that for 2 years minimum
- A subscription after launch

These are all red flags in my book.

Ok fine but if you had to buy the game to discover any of that, its a personal problem. If it was exactly like EQ with better graphics and less jank i would be happy.

[CheckRaise]

Publicado originalmente por Katana7:

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

- Ten years in development
- The head guy died
- Never hit the kickstarter goal
- Looks worse than EQ2 from 2002? 2003?
- They want $40 for a pre-alpha and the game will be like that for 2 years minimum
- A subscription after launch

These are all red flags in my book.

So don't buy or play it?

I am not

[CheckRaise]

Publicado originalmente por #stog:

Publicado originalmente por CheckRaise:

- Ten years in development
- The head guy died
- Never hit the kickstarter goal
- Looks worse than EQ2 from 2002? 2003?
- They want $40 for a pre-alpha and the game will be like that for 2 years minimum
- A subscription after launch

These are all red flags in my book.

Ok fine but if you had to buy the game to discover any of that, its a personal problem. If it was exactly like EQ with better graphics and less jank i would be happy.

I did not have to. I knew once Brad passed it was over. I am surprised this game still made it to early access.

[EQOAnostalgia]

Poor take imo. Just because you dropped a fortune on it doesn't mean other people are wrong. Christmas is right around the corner, the economy is dog poo, and a lot of people are strapped for cash atm. I would have preferred $25 personally. But it is, what it is.

You're right, Brad is gone, you want to honor his legacy? Back VR up. I haven't always agreed with them, but i see no reason to kick them while their trying to make the dream come true.

[Truen]

Publicado originalmente por ralgur:

Steam ought to make a special exception for this game where if you buy it and then leave a bad review, guess what? No refund.

This change should go into effect tonight for every game. I 100% agree. No buy-in, no review.

[Veeshan]

Publicado originalmente por justdrop:

Misandry when faced with the reality that *the game just isn't good enough*.

This would be misogyny because of the implication that small = bad (and femoids are smaller).