BEWARE: Devs have planned a monthly subscription fee since early development

[Pharticus Maximus]

This game has been in development since 2014.

Since the early years the devs stated:

"We are considering either using the traditional subscription based model or a model where the player buys the game and then has the option of purchasing mini-expansions or ‘modules’ after launch. Either way, the game’s world will continue to expand, more content will be added, as well as new features and mechanics." -- They also asked if people would be willing to pay more than $14.99 a month, so this should be told NOW before people buy the game and do not know these fees may come into play later on which can render them unable to play without investing more and more money per month into the game.


Some history of how long this game has been in development:


On January 13, 2014, Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen was announced alongside a Kickstarter campaign. The funding goal was set at $800,000, but the campaign raised only $460,657 from 3,157 backers. That failed.

Immediately after the campaign ended, Visionary Realms launched their own website and began crowdfunding independently by selling pledge packages with various perks, such as early character name reservation, in-game cosmetic items, and access to testing phases.

So, Two months after their website launched, in April 2014, Brad McQuaid announced that progress on Pantheon had to be put on hold as the team had to leave to find other sources of income. Any donations during this time went "directly to maintaining the website... and not towards development."

From then on they had various investors and other campaigns to bring in money through companies and also influencers COHHCarnage


So its been in development for over 10 years now with many issues to get the game out or funded enough for a release. Hopefully the devs are upfront about fees that will be there at launch and not collect money and run or collect money and not say its a monthly fee and add that later on to the dismay of the unaware EA playerbase.

[Oberst_Maler]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tommy Salami:

Początkowo opublikowane przez befreewhereyouare:

Wow, all you people crying and moaning about something that isn't even occurring right now!

P.S. - I'm sorry to inform you that I will be FIRST in line to pay a subscription monthly. These devs have been busting their ASSES. It's time to finally get a little monthly cash flow to keep things running and improving.

Cope harder.

Imagine wanting to give these griftlords your money out of spite for people with a different opinion.

You're both coping AND SEETHING lol

Was just doing my research on the game as i am old it looks appealing, i came to the decision not to buy it, different reasoning though... however the drama here about the devs making money in a sub model xD its just amazing especially as you guys all play a game now after 37 buck purchase for free that will get wiped when its launched xD.

When MMOs started there were subs and that was the only way, it was the glory days, for 12.99 everyone was equal and all items you had, you got them by doing the grind (or paying someone to do it, or botting yourself.. see life was never fair)...

In short i think its a joke that you guys moan about them wanting to make money or at least reduce the cost of stuff till they can go live, i personally do not think the game will be a commercial success its to nieche for it, so the subs are likely not the only way the game will need to make money.

Anyhow that`s it for me for today going to play some good old star wars galaxies later for free, where i drop like 10-20 bucks a month for the servers to run cause the freeloaders wont do it.

[いか]

This game has been in development for so long.. That actual members of Mmorpg.com have died of actual old age and quit or just totally vanished during.

Don't get wrong I'd legit never pay for this, not after the kickstarter stuff. But I've watched this thing in dev hell longer than star citizen and unlike star citizen these dudes haven't tried to scam out stuff beyond a few cringefest packages.


It's clearly going to be sub model it's mmo.
Whether it's successful who knows.

TLDR: I legit do not like the company here. At all. I still see value in a sub but then again I wouldn't pay it because this game is gonna get released when I'm actual corpse.

However devs do deserve their own because at least they aren't totally scamming kick starter campaigns. Whining about subs in 2025 after 28 years of this model...is wild.

[いか]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Oberst_Maler:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tommy Salami:

Imagine wanting to give these griftlords your money out of spite for people with a different opinion.

You're both coping AND SEETHING lol

Was just doing my research on the game as i am old it looks appealing, i came to the decision not to buy it, different reasoning though... however the drama here about the devs making money in a sub model xD its just amazing especially as you guys all play a game now after 37 buck purchase for free that will get wiped when its launched xD.

When MMOs started there were subs and that was the only way, it was the glory days, for 12.99 everyone was equal and all items you had, you got them by doing the grind (or paying someone to do it, or botting yourself.. see life was never fair)...

In short i think its a joke that you guys moan about them wanting to make money or at least reduce the cost of stuff till they can go live, i personally do not think the game will be a commercial success its to nieche for it, so the subs are likely not the only way the game will need to make money.

Anyhow that`s it for me for today going to play some good old star wars galaxies later for free, where i drop like 10-20 bucks a month for the servers to run cause the freeloaders wont do it.

Okay so I've written and been around many a mmosites in my years. Many.
From stratics to mmosite actually.

12.95 back in the day was worth about 18 bucks give or take. UO was 9.99 +1.72 .

EQ was about 12 for awhile but it went and down and up with SOE.

So.... Yeah a 15 dollar sub in 2025 is about 9 bucks. Give or take. In value.
We pay less for mmos now. Than we did then. I still have a billing statement from meridian for 43 dollars. 43 dollars to play meridian in 1996.



Edit: Oh wow they are still doing that whole build one guild up thing according to people I reached out to who have purchased it. Like man...you guy still using 2 gms's 1 guild favoritism on EA...ooof. Yeah this game is run like a private server for a mmo.
It's wild they allow 2 gm's to ban people over a guild just ruling the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.
I'll take my forum ban now.

[Tommy Salami]

Bump

[Tedious Maximus]

Sub good, MTX bad. even the cosmetic only MTX plan is bad because people would enjoy getting cosmetics through gameplay instead

Sub keeps the free players out too.... a portion of that audience is very toxic

[Albatross65]

Początkowo opublikowane przez いか:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Oberst_Maler:

Was just doing my research on the game as i am old it looks appealing, i came to the decision not to buy it, different reasoning though... however the drama here about the devs making money in a sub model xD its just amazing especially as you guys all play a game now after 37 buck purchase for free that will get wiped when its launched xD.

When MMOs started there were subs and that was the only way, it was the glory days, for 12.99 everyone was equal and all items you had, you got them by doing the grind (or paying someone to do it, or botting yourself.. see life was never fair)...

In short i think its a joke that you guys moan about them wanting to make money or at least reduce the cost of stuff till they can go live, i personally do not think the game will be a commercial success its to nieche for it, so the subs are likely not the only way the game will need to make money.

Anyhow that`s it for me for today going to play some good old star wars galaxies later for free, where i drop like 10-20 bucks a month for the servers to run cause the freeloaders wont do it.

Okay so I've written and been around many a mmosites in my years. Many.
From stratics to mmosite actually.

12.95 back in the day was worth about 18 bucks give or take. UO was 9.99 +1.72 .

EQ was about 12 for awhile but it went and down and up with SOE.

So.... Yeah a 15 dollar sub in 2025 is about 9 bucks. Give or take. In value.
We pay less for mmos now. Than we did then. I still have a billing statement from meridian for 43 dollars. 43 dollars to play meridian in 1996.



Edit: Oh wow they are still doing that whole build one guild up thing according to people I reached out to who have purchased it. Like man...you guy still using 2 gms's 1 guild favoritism on EA...ooof. Yeah this game is run like a private server for a mmo.
It's wild they allow 2 gm's to ban people over a guild just ruling the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.
I'll take my forum ban now.

Everquest was 8.99 when I started playing it in 1999

[Sogreth]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tedious Maximus:

Sub keeps the free players out too.... a portion of that audience is very toxic

You must not be around MMOs with subs much then.

Subs actually make people MORE toxic. As they are more “protected” than they would in free games. In other words, mods are much less likely to perma ban accounts if there is a sub. Look at WoW. You have to be the biggest, racist PoS you could possibly be, and even then you’ll probably just get a month ban.

Free games just have casual trolling as they have to walk on eggshells at all times or risk their account being terminated.

[befreewhereyouare]

I'm so ready to pay! The DEVs deserve more than they are getting. I love contributing to great projects! Day ONE subscriptions, let's goooooo! 😍😍😍

[Landstander]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Artois-VisionaryRealms:

We haven't decided on a monetization model for when the game goes into full release yet. However, there isn't any subscription during early access.

you should sell skins and currency to buy cosmetics like swtor does. keep the game free to play. and bank off the skins and such the player base buys. i know for sure ill be buying skins if you do. can also make guild housing and add in deco for the guild housing and even make it to where we can buy some of that on the online shop also. plenty of ways to make money off game without a monthly fee

[Sol]

I don't mind the idea of a sub, I just think that it should be on the front page in some form of bold font that you *could* lose access to the game post release if they do decide to go the route of a subscription. It took me a hot second to find a definitive answer directly from a mod/dev.

I've been following the game forever, I expected a sub, I just want it to be outlined because the main video on steam right now says, quote "Single Purchase, No Pay To Win, Only $39.99", and if that 'Single Purchase' changes and blindsides people who aren't watching for definitive responses on forums (or are even aware it's on the table), then it's going to cause an uproar. I've seen games die for less lmao

If I had to weigh in, my favorite model has been DDOs (although DDO is a much more extreme and p2w case). If you sub, you get all the content, but you can also pay for modules that give you access to the content forever without a subscription. Sub also comes with benefits you can't get through modules, like a tiny (5%) exp boost, but that'd need to be adapted to this game because that's technically p2w.

[Veeshan]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sol:

snip.

It's literally directly on the front page right in the place that talks about pricing in early access.

[Harry Dave]

I have over 400 days logged in EverQuest 2. If this game went down the microtransaction route like that game then I'm out even before launch. It has messed up everything, pre-orders for high tier expansions and mounts which give you much higher stats, high end mercs and paying for spell research, literally paying to be more powerful than a player who didn't pay more.
I'd take an in game purchase to fund a server move or a character rename but thats about it for me. In game monetisation has killed EQ2.

[Tommy Salami]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Veeshan:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sol:

snip.

It's literally directly on the front page right in the place that talks about pricing in early access.

Very dishonest answer.

There's a specified space on the store page for games with subscriptions.

Most people don't expand that box to read devs responses to the EA questionnaire. And besides, 99.9% of devs answer to that question is if the game will stay the same price or go up after it comes out of EA. I know you're here to defend this game endlessly, but this isn't the hill you want to die on lol.

[Veeshan]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tommy Salami:

There's a specified space on the store page for games with subscriptions.

That's a fair point, that it's usually on one of the boxes on the side.

[Lungbutter]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tommy Salami:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Veeshan:

It's literally directly on the front page right in the place that talks about pricing in early access.

Very dishonest answer.

There's a specified space on the store page for games with subscriptions.

Most people don't expand that box to read devs responses to the EA questionnaire. And besides, 99.9% of devs answer to that question is if the game will stay the same price or go up after it comes out of EA. I know you're here to defend this game endlessly, but this isn't the hill you want to die on lol.

It's not a dishonest answer. It's in the same place on every EA game. If you don't read it that's 100% on you.

In the future, just read the pricing change question on every EA game you buy. Easy.

The blue box is huge and at the top of page. You literally have to scroll past it to read the "About the Game" and the features section.

And this is a design by Steam. You guys talking like the developers designs the store pages. Steam does that and they put everything in the same place so readers know where look.

You keep trying to paint this like they're doing their best to hide information from you. It's not their fault you're too lazy to read what they write.