Goodbye

[VladK02]

300 hours. Im out.

First they break the light, make game unplayable at night.

Then they break combat, and my wizard class.

Zero quality control. Zero clue how their own abilities work. And thats just in a few weeks since I bought the game.

Its clear from discord that the combat 'fix' to the current 'patch' will not solve any (wizard) issues, and will not roll out any time soon.

This game will never be finished or polished enough to even come close the being EQ.

Im done. Thanks for reminding me that EQ was also garbage, to be honest; and it was DESPITE the game, rather then because of it, that people have fond memories.

[ChrisKo]

Publicado originalmente por ulroth:

This focus crap is a terrible nerf to wizards as well. No other caster has "focus." My wizard had enough mana that I can cast my spells, use my focus refill, recast spells, and then be unable to cast further with more than half my mana left.

WTF. To stand there unable to cast with half my mana pool is utterly ridiculous. Im sure someone whined about Wizard being OP in testing and this mess was their solution.

They need to get rid of focus completely or reduce focus cost for spells. What is the point of my mana pool if I am left unable to use majic with half of it left?

Focus refills on 2 minute cool downs? Snare on a 1 minute cool down? What a joke.

God forbid I use a snare because it costs 2 of my ice focus. And why do blue mobs"mitigate" so much damage? Red, orange, and yellow mitigation are enough.

If you dont see this on your wizard it is because you have a low mana pool. When you get good gear you will experience this and be very unhappy.

The reality plain and simple is the devs lack their OWN personal vision for the game, you can only beg borrow and steal from previous MMO titles so much before your design choices show obvious lack of any insight.

These guys dont know what direction to follow and the hyper vocal community minority will ensure they design themselves into failure if they continue to listen to them.

I just do not see a path forward with their dev time and early access performance thus far.

[Tyvolus]

Publicado originalmente por ChrisKo:

Publicado originalmente por ulroth:

This focus crap is a terrible nerf to wizards as well. No other caster has "focus." My wizard had enough mana that I can cast my spells, use my focus refill, recast spells, and then be unable to cast further with more than half my mana left.

WTF. To stand there unable to cast with half my mana pool is utterly ridiculous. Im sure someone whined about Wizard being OP in testing and this mess was their solution.

They need to get rid of focus completely or reduce focus cost for spells. What is the point of my mana pool if I am left unable to use majic with half of it left?

Focus refills on 2 minute cool downs? Snare on a 1 minute cool down? What a joke.

God forbid I use a snare because it costs 2 of my ice focus. And why do blue mobs"mitigate" so much damage? Red, orange, and yellow mitigation are enough.

If you dont see this on your wizard it is because you have a low mana pool. When you get good gear you will experience this and be very unhappy.

The reality plain and simple is the devs lack their OWN personal vision for the game, you can only beg borrow and steal from previous MMO titles so much before your design choices show obvious lack of any insight.

These guys dont know what direction to follow and the hyper vocal community minority will ensure they design themselves into failure if they continue to listen to them.

I just do not see a path forward with their dev time and early access performance thus far.

I recently remember watching a youtube video where one of the devs was asked about EPIC weapons and Armor quests....his answer was all over the place, he seemed like he was just coming up with an answer off the top of his head...this went on for like 5 minutes with no obvious clear direction or answer.

so, I can see what you mean from that, even tho I didnt play this game

[Tyvolus]

Publicado originalmente por Send It:

Publicado originalmente por Tyvolus:

He might be referencing, the horrible grind, death penalty, no map, corpse recovery, mostly forced grouping etc. I loved original EQ, but there was alot of bad design choices baked in. what made it the most fun, was my RL friends I played with during my time with EQ in 1999. take that away, and Im not sure I would have liked EQ as much.

just my take on what he might be saying.

It was fun because it was new and exciting, and you were young. Now you're old, and it's like your wife, she's still lovely but there's nothing particularly exciting. So she brings in some new ideas, some spice, one might say. And you might like it, it's different, sure but, you dunno til you try it.

Sometimes its okay to try new things, you might like them.

:lunar2019deadpanpig:

"Sometimes its okay to try new things, you might like them."

sticking to the theme of gaming, I play everything from single player RPGs, to MMO's, to open world space sandbox games, flight sims. racing sims, RTS...I could go on...not sure where you might think I dont think its ok to try new things.

[Mentally Impaired Tiny Troll]

Publicado originalmente por VladK02:

Then they break combat, and my wizard class.

Zero quality control. Zero clue how their own abilities work. And thats just in a few weeks since I bought the game.

Wtf did they do to Wizard? My highest level was Wizard before I gave up on this game ever becoming fun.

[Lechuck's Beard]

At least you can always stop by in the future and see what's what, OP. I'm on a break from playing, fatigued with gaming overall. It's never a good thing to see players dropping off in a game that NEEDS them, regardless.

[VladK02]

Publicado originalmente por Mentally Impaired Tiny Troll:

Publicado originalmente por VladK02:

Then they break combat, and my wizard class.

Zero quality control. Zero clue how their own abilities work. And thats just in a few weeks since I bought the game.

Wtf did they do to Wizard? My highest level was Wizard before I gave up on this game ever becoming fun.

someone said they had a problem - ranger kiting, apparently. Not sure if its true or not. Which was due to previous 'fix' that 'fixed' something else.

So, in effort to fix the fix that fixed something that in turn made rangers OP or whatever, they made it so mobs can now Rush and stun players from beyond max range, every 5-7 seconds. To get them pesky rangers. This also ♥♥♥♥♥♥ a bunch other things and classes, like targeting, pets, but im talking about wizards in particular here.

Boars, bears, every tank archotype mob will now rush and stun a wizard from beyond max range, immediately and repeatedly. As soon as you initiate a fight, 1second Stun in your face, and 5-7 seconds later, another stun in your face, and another, repeatedly. You cant facetank bears as a wizard, obviously, when they perma-stun you repeatedly. You cant even run away from them now (because they made this to fight ranger speeds and kiting, remember, so the stuff is relentless now, much faster, and will, like a cruise missile, hammer you in the back with a perma-stun even if you drink haste potions to escape) Wizards have no tools to combat that, and it effectively locks them out of about a third of all solo content. Cant solo a bear, cant solo a boar, a werewolf... Im talking about serious levels, not level 10 crap. You can maybe facetank a level 10 boar, but when it comes to serious content, level 25+, there wizards go down in 5-8 seconds, its unrealistic. Say you a tailor and want thick bear fur. that comes from iceclaw bear, a level 30 mob. Go, facetank an iceclaw as a wizard, see what happens.

So, i raised it as a class concern on discord. Some dev came along and said, paraphrasing here, bruh just glint it, maybe we will add some counterplay later. Okay. Glint doesnt work that way, there is a bunch of issses there that make it unworkable, so it just shows they have no intention of fixing anything.

For starters if they make glint work on physical abilities like Rush - remeber glint is bascally magical silence - if it now works on physical abilities, I can now stun all bosses, such as moon witch transformation, or, gadai shield wall, or a bunch of other formerly not interruptable by wizards abilities. Dont quibble with me here, i dont remember them all, im saying in general. So their proposed 'fix' will ♥♥♥♥ over other things. Which will require other fixes. And on and on.

Its not serious.

[The Time Traveler]

Publicado originalmente por Tyvolus:

Publicado originalmente por Lord Bullingdon:

You lost me there

He might be referencing, the horrible grind, death penalty, no map, corpse recovery, mostly forced grouping etc. I loved original EQ, but there was alot of bad design choices baked in. what made it the most fun, was my RL friends I played with during my time with EQ in 1999. take that away, and Im not sure I would have liked EQ as much.

just my take on what he might be saying.

so just make all games like wow.... stupid easy til maybe the very end, map markers all over the place, no reason to ever think beyond endgame raiding, endless crappy fetch quests..... yea sounds super fun. those are the reasons why i quit wow. and community there was terrible. cuz you cant make communities out of bad people, the people that ARE in pantheon are generally nice people. id rather play a game thats broken/unfinished with a handful of nice people that a million jerks.

eq was great cuz the community was awesome. pantheon has some of that going on. most other popular mmos do not, ir it is very difficult to find.

[nakoda]

/independencedaymeme

"I been sayin' it! I've been sayin' for ten ♥♥♥♥♥♥ years, ain't I been saying it, Miguel?!?"

[nakoda]

Publicado originalmente por The Time Traveler:

Publicado originalmente por Tyvolus:

He might be referencing, the horrible grind, death penalty, no map, corpse recovery, mostly forced grouping etc. I loved original EQ, but there was alot of bad design choices baked in. what made it the most fun, was my RL friends I played with during my time with EQ in 1999. take that away, and Im not sure I would have liked EQ as much.

just my take on what he might be saying.

so just make all games like wow.... stupid easy til maybe the very end, map markers all over the place, no reason to ever think beyond endgame raiding, endless crappy fetch quests..... yea sounds super fun. those are the reasons why i quit wow. and community there was terrible. cuz you cant make communities out of bad people, the people that ARE in pantheon are generally nice people. id rather play a game thats broken/unfinished with a handful of nice people that a million jerks.

eq was great cuz the community was awesome. pantheon has some of that going on. most other popular mmos do not, ir it is very difficult to find.

no, see, this is the problem. someone has an idea you don't agree with, so you snap react and push your own mental fiction to the furthest extreme possibility of whatever the other person might have suggested.

not a single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ person here has once said they want WOW. not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one.

your inability to comprehend or imagine a middle ground is YOUR problem.

EQ sucked. It always sucked. It was a janky mud with a hud and the only thing that made it sufferable were the other people you played with.

only 20 years later, we now see the people we were playing with was ... you ... and now no one wants to keep playing games with you.

[Cutter]

the game looks better since last weeks update.....better lighting and no longer washed out look.

[Gurgar]

The reality is this is 2025 and not 1999. There were very few games in 99 and we endured the patching of the patch to fix the patch from the updates in EQ. Eventually, things got better and content came rolling.
In 2025, we don't have to put up with poorly tested updates that break the game. Regardless of what size team, that is irrelevant. The game is a throw back to early EQ and all of us old EQ players love the idea but we are not going to relive the the poor quality again because in 26 years, things should get a lot better.

[XConY3K]

Publicado originalmente por VladK02:

Im out <snip> Im done.

Can I has ur stuff?

[WoosterSauce]

I like this game a lot, I'm still gonna be here edging wildly. Ne'er played EQ, only WoW, FFXIV, Thrones and Liberty, New World, Runescape, ToR, so comparatively this game is new, different, fresh and interesting to me. Sorry about your feelings on the topic, stings to hear you didn't have fun for 300 hours. I hope you find a game that hits the spot you hoped this would be

[Tyvolus]

Publicado originalmente por The Time Traveler:

Publicado originalmente por Tyvolus:

He might be referencing, the horrible grind, death penalty, no map, corpse recovery, mostly forced grouping etc. I loved original EQ, but there was alot of bad design choices baked in. what made it the most fun, was my RL friends I played with during my time with EQ in 1999. take that away, and Im not sure I would have liked EQ as much.

just my take on what he might be saying.

so just make all games like wow.... stupid easy til maybe the very end, map markers all over the place, no reason to ever think beyond endgame raiding, endless crappy fetch quests..... yea sounds super fun. those are the reasons why i quit wow. and community there was terrible. cuz you cant make communities out of bad people, the people that ARE in pantheon are generally nice people. id rather play a game thats broken/unfinished with a handful of nice people that a million jerks.

eq was great cuz the community was awesome. pantheon has some of that going on. most other popular mmos do not, ir it is very difficult to find.

I am no fan of wow or Blizzard. I dont play any of their games. EQ is one of my favorite games of all time. Sorry, if you cant accept that I didnt just absolutely LOVE every little thing about it.

[Avataroheckin Dogg]

Publicado originalmente por The Time Traveler:

Publicado originalmente por Tyvolus:

He might be referencing, the horrible grind, death penalty, no map, corpse recovery, mostly forced grouping etc. I loved original EQ, but there was alot of bad design choices baked in. what made it the most fun, was my RL friends I played with during my time with EQ in 1999. take that away, and Im not sure I would have liked EQ as much.

just my take on what he might be saying.

so just make all games like wow.... stupid easy til maybe the very end, map markers all over the place, no reason to ever think beyond endgame raiding, endless crappy fetch quests..... yea sounds super fun. those are the reasons why i quit wow. and community there was terrible. cuz you cant make communities out of bad people, the people that ARE in pantheon are generally nice people. id rather play a game thats broken/unfinished with a handful of nice people that a million jerks.

eq was great cuz the community was awesome. pantheon has some of that going on. most other popular mmos do not, ir it is very difficult to find.

Clearly you haven't played WoW in a long time. At worst people don't say anything and just steamroll everything. Quest quality and art are top notch, as well as bosses and dungeons. If you really want to take a swing at WoW complain about how much gear they throw at you and the lack of community.