Richard Burns Rally vs. Dirt Rally

[Johnny[HUN]]

Guys, i just wanna say that i think soooo many people misunderstood the difference between realistic and hard gameplay. In the past few years i played with so many simulator game and watched hours and hours of driving footages, and according to my experiences, i have to say that RBR is unrealistic! It's too hard, and not even close to the real life. Car is like on ice even on tarmac, dirt... While Dirt Rally gives more realistic feel, you have to corner like in real life, and you don't have to use handbrake to take an easy left 5 for example...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSqW19ngzcY

Just look at this, he doesn't drive like you have to in RBR, he is driving smoothly, easy. This is why i think Dirt Rally is more realistic.

But what is your opinion?

[Peter Mathen]

anthot4 eredeti hozzászólása:

Dirt rally is a brilliant game but it isn't a simulator. The physics arn't realistic enough, its a simcade game. Whilst it doesn't support rally driving really, rfactor2 is the most realistic simulator you can get.

But rFactor2 has as you self explained no rally format so it's not an alternative.
Also rFactor2 has has a very rubbish content management based on Steam Workshop even for the base content and no championships or career mode. Only simulating to be a simulator is for me not enough to have fun with it.

[Osigurach]

The best racing game is called: Real life. Not a single game can come close to the laws of physics in real life.

Money DLC required though.

[anthot4]

Lil' glass Balla fool eredeti hozzászólása:

The best racing game is called: Real life. Not a single game can come close to the laws of physics in real life.

Money DLC required though.

Sims can come extremely close to the physics of a car, and can be used to improve driving technique but they are best for learning tracks with.

[karik_FIN_134]

eddskitz eredeti hozzászólása:

RacingIvysaur eredeti hozzászólása:

Would love a Dirt Nordschleiffe.

With group B cars

Well Assetto Corsa has now both with free Audi Quattro S1 E2 car update. Except track is asphalt not dirt.

[plkris82]

I agree with the fact that RBR isn't realistic when it comes to car handling on gravel, snow. Cars are way too understeery and have too little grip. I think Dirt Rally in it's current form is a game with the best gravel handling of any rally game I've played (not pefect). With that being said the handling on tarmac isn't as realistic in Dirt. I think RBR has an edge here as do Assetto Corsa, rFactor and any other asphalt sims. Even though RBR is better on tarmac then Dirt Rally is, I don't think it's perfect either.

[dgeesio & ronMctube]

RBR was just hard for the sake of being hard.dirt rally is a better more realistic drive. RBR was a good game though.

[SpazAttack]

Fast forward to October 6th, 2018! Today I was playing RBR after a couple of years and realized how slippery it is! I adjusted the throttle to not be "instant", and that helped a lot but still the hairpins in the dirt are like ice and I always had to use the hand brake.
Even if I try to "whip" it early with a Scandanavian flick, I could rarely get the back end to come around unless I really hit the brake pedal hard. I was always taught if you drive right, you don't have to nail the brakes so frickin hard.

That is all, carry on.

[NFT Stealer]

Okay listen, if you think that you have to use handbrake for left 5 or right 4 then you are not a good driver. Use left foot braking OR just slow the ♥♥♥♥ down. In Dirt rally ( i like the game btw) you can go into any corner almost with unrealistically high speeds if you just do a quick flick of the steering wheel. And on tarmac it's even worse, the only place i felt that "driving on ice" is well when i WAS on ice. TBH Dirt Rally isn't even that hard, sure for new people it is but for someone who has been sim racing for awhile it is not.

So just stop complaining, yes it is hard but not impossible and learn to drive. Because unlike in Dirt IRL you are not on railroad tracks

[miyamoto]

I'm not here to knock OP or any of the Dirt games which i really enjoy...
...but RBR is in a different league when it comes to physics and the 'simulation' of driving a rally car. The feeling of being able to connect with a road surface and understand the data/ feedback being given through the wheel is beyond any other game/ sim ever made (with the exception of GPL).

- 'i have to say that RBR is unrealistic! It's too hard, and not even close to the real life. Car is like on ice even on tarmac, dirt'

Well I've been lucky enough to drive two rally cars, one 4WD and one FWD and I can honestly say that the only thing missing in RBR is the physical/ G forces which without a motion simulator are impossible to recreate. Everything else is scarily familiar.

With practice (like anything in life) you can make even very difficult things look easy. (Real world rally drivers do not get good overnight; it takes many years of practice. My dad was an amateur rally driver and never made it to the very top but he spent years working hard and practicing to even reach that level).

How long does it take to drive well in Dirt? A few hours? If Dirt was the more realistic simulator than RBR and that is all it takes to become a good rally driver then there would probably be a lot more rally drivers out there.

Put in the hours in RBR and the rewards are immense; getting as close to the real thing as possible.

Here's a couple of my videos below showing what a bit of practice can do...


https://youtu.be/Z7f25lfth6E

https://youtu.be/kFELD0pAeSM

https://youtu.be/GyK9a_xHwm4

[its game over man game over]

miyamoto eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm not here to knock OP or any of the Dirt games which i really enjoy...
...but RBR is in a different league when it comes to physics and the 'simulation' of driving a rally car. The feeling of being able to connect with a road surface and understand the data/ feedback being given through the wheel is beyond any other game/ sim ever made (with the exception of GPL).

- 'i have to say that RBR is unrealistic! It's too hard, and not even close to the real life. Car is like on ice even on tarmac, dirt'

Well I've been lucky enough to drive two rally cars, one 4WD and one FWD and I can honestly say that the only thing missing in RBR is the physical/ G forces which without a motion simulator are impossible to recreate. Everything else is scarily familiar.

With practice (like anything in life) you can make even very difficult things look easy. (Real world rally drivers do not get good overnight; it takes many years of practice. My dad was an amateur rally driver and never made it to the very top but he spent years working hard and practicing to even reach that level).

How long does it take to drive well in Dirt? A few hours? If Dirt was the more realistic simulator than RBR and that is all it takes to become a good rally driver then there would probably be a lot more rally drivers out there.

Put in the hours in RBR and the rewards are immense; getting as close to the real thing as possible.

Here's a couple of my videos below showing what a bit of practice can do...


https://youtu.be/Z7f25lfth6E

https://youtu.be/kFELD0pAeSM

https://youtu.be/GyK9a_xHwm4

Still love rbr rsrbr to this day. i will say im not keen on the rwd cars and that hurt's because i love my oldskool escort's.somthing to do with the game not suportting real wheel drive in the base game and as result back to front to setup was given to intergrate the rwd cars into the game.Also if anybody's got a good setup for the mkii i would love to see it.It's also worth mentioning that theres loads of mods for rbr ihave not spoke of only because i have not tryed them.at the time of posting this the lattest version of the pyhsics is version 6.

[Elio]

Just a (gentle) question ! ;-)

You are able to drive with this wastgate turbo sound !?
It seems so high in frequency for me !
All my respect, as an hyper sensitive man, I couldn't.

I understand your passion about RBR, I drove also with intensity on some "outdated" racing games. ;-)

Cheers ! ;-)

[miyamoto]

Elio eredeti hozzászólása:

Just a (gentle) question ! ;-)

You are able to drive with this wastgate turbo sound !?
It seems so high in frequency for me !
All my respect, as an hyper sensitive man, I couldn't.

I understand your passion about RBR, I drove also with intensity on some "outdated" racing games. ;-)

Cheers ! ;-)

Yeah, the wastegate sound was pretty overkill. IIRC it was when i was playing around with sound levels and shouldn't have been quite that loud.

[A1337Subaru]

I disagree. out of all the dirt video games Dirt Rally comes the closest to feeling real. but it doesn't beat Richard burns rally sim. (i haven't played dirt rally 2 yet)

I've competed in 24 rallies , in a subaru impreza 93 chassis in both FWD and AWD configurations, and i also own a 2005 STI which i have competed in rally cross events, and driven
it on the same roads used for a rally.

while i enjoy both games, Richard burns rally sim (for gravel and snow) achieves a higher realism than does Dirt rally. I've never done a rally on tarmac on tarmac rally tires , i Have done a hill climb in my 05 STI on aggressive street tires. and one of the stages in a gravel rally had about a 1/2 mile of paved road out of maybe 5 miles. I have driven in auto cross events on racing slicks , including a hairpin.

actual racing slick tires do feel very much on/off in terms of traction .. i still think the physics are a bit off for paved stages in RBR.

Dirt rally seems a bit more "fun" to me and RBR is more realistic . IMO

[SimaLarioN]

I played RBR rally for years and i always found it to hard, but unlike you i thought it was realistic because if i was about to sit in a Rally car i would not win, i would come dead last and thats final. But i never gave up and this time around picking RBR Rally up again i also bought Thrustmaster Belt wheel inkluding handbrake and manual gear stick and started to play RBR Hard, and the result is that i know think RBR (now with NGP 6) is much much easier than Dirt 2.0 when i comes to driving, the reason for this can only be that in RBR you actually learn to drive and are adopting and learing to drive a rally car, while in other games like Dirt 2.0 you basically just throtle on brake and turn, there is hardly more to it, so ther is not much to learn here and its harder becouse i am never sure how the care will behave and often it does crazy things like flying or doing a crazy barrel roll from a litle bump (and so on)

So With Dirt Rally 2.0 its stil the same i do not adopt much, the driving feels flat and much more like a console game, actually think they are making the game for consol to get more money, there is no weight feel, ther understeer and oversteer is just not present so the FFB is also wrong. With RBR you are constantly getting better and i am now starting to feel the car and i know how they behave so i can use the weight to my advantage, that do not work with Dirt 2.0, at all.

[eddskitz]

SimaLarioN eredeti hozzászólása:

I played RBR rally for years and i always found it to hard, but unlike you i thought it was realistic because if i was about to sit in a Rally car i would not win, i would come dead last and thats final. But i never gave up and this time around picking RBR Rally up again i also bought Thrustmaster Belt wheel inkluding handbrake and manual gear stick and started to play RBR Hard, and the result is that i know think RBR (now with NGP 6) is much much easier than Dirt 2.0 when i comes to driving, the reason for this can only be that in RBR you actually learn to drive and are adopting and learing to drive a rally car, while in other games like Dirt 2.0 you basically just throtle on brake and turn, there is hardly more to it, so ther is not much to learn here and its harder becouse i am never sure how the care will behave and often it does crazy things like flying or doing a crazy barrel roll from a litle bump (and so on)

So With Dirt Rally 2.0 its stil the same i do not adopt much, the driving feels flat and much more like a console game, actually think they are making the game for consol to get more money, there is no weight feel, ther understeer and oversteer is just not present so the FFB is also wrong. With RBR you are constantly getting better and i am now starting to feel the car and i know how they behave so i can use the weight to my advantage, that do not work with Dirt 2.0, at all.

lol, couldn't be more wrong... go back to mashing your keyboard