Monthly Event - No payout for a DNF/no consequences? Let's rethink this.

[Discop]

I attended the monthly event and I was struggling between top tier and mid tier.

In the race 22/24 after over 80 minutes of driving, my car broke out and it was unrecoverable.
I got kicked out of the event, 15 minutes were added on event 22. And that was it. I could not proceed with stage 23 and 24.

At this point I could restart the whole event but with more mechanics, with a different car maybe and with a 2nd try on all the tracks.

This is a weird design decision in my opinion, because why "punish" someone who crashed his car in the 22th race like someone who crashed his car in the 2nd race who can start all over again.

Not only is this unmotivating if something happens, it absolutely lacks investing risk and get a reward out of it. In the end it doesn't matter it's either finish and get money or don't finish, don't loose money, don't get any, you can repeat and it's all like it has NEVER happened in the first place.


Here are some ideas on how to enhance the experience a bit.

- You have only one try, you cannot repeat the whole event or seperate stages. If you mess it up, it's over.

- If you DNF, you get a time punishment for every stage you cannot race on anymore of 15 minutes. You do get ranked and compared to other people, based on how far you came, you do get a small credit reward, also you have to pay for the mechanics and repairs done on the car.

- Alternatively: you DNF, you get 15 minutes penalty on that stage, however, you have the chance to repair your car for the next stage (which also might result in time penalty for the repairs taken)

- You get a small credit bonus for every stage that you have finished. (this might sound casual but then again you get 5000 credits for every event in the championship, regardless of your position.


But these are just ideas that would add more thrills and give more risk and reward to the player.

[Mambo]

learn to drive

[Discop]

Oh yeah, thanks, because otherwise I would have not managed to finish 22 of the 24 events with my G27 on manual transmission geee I would never have thought of that.

Look mates, while you both TRY to be funny as HARD as possible with your oh-we-are-so-great-and-better-than-you elitism.

It's not funny, nor is it's not helping in any way.
It's spam, nothing else and it does not belong here.

I am just pointing out that this is in-fact a rather questionable design decision and it is legitimate considering that this IS an early access game and they might rethink the reward system.

Also not everybody has the time and patience to redo the whole event after 22 races or even worse, for blowing the last race, especially if the event has only one hour left to complete.

[Law-II]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DMGaina:

I am just pointing out that this is in-fact a rather questionable design decision and it is legitimate considering that this IS an early access game and they might rethink the reward system.

if this is the case it would have been better to post it in the sticky Suggestions for DiRT Rally
here - http://steamcommunity.com/app/310560/discussions/0/611704730330399978/

[Sean]

It's essentially an endurance event, you didn't endure. Maybe if you had drove more conservatively with this in mind you wouldn't be here complaining. I was quite close to having my car completely fail on me by the end of the 24th stage ( see pic: http://puu.sh/hxncg/64eeed5eca.jpg ) and if it had I would have accepted I failed by being disproportionately reckless for the amount of stages I had to complete.
Didn't help that I hadn't discovered the mechanic hiring feature until stage 20 which probably saved me from disqualification.
Try harder and be more reserved in the next event, I hope the monthly competitions remain as is, personally.

[Ultr4Chrome]

IMHO DNF's should count for the rankings... (i finished myself though)

[Fat Boo Bear]

this is an iron man-like endurance competition and it should stay that way.

[Sean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lokust:

this is an iron man-like endurance competition and it should stay that way.

Agreed, but that isn't going to go down well with a generation of kids acclimated to participation awards and a "we're all winners" mentality in sports and competition.

[Discop]

My car was in a really good shape, I even hired some mechanics just for this event, the only thing that happened to me was a little bump on an inner corner that made my car hop all over the place without any grip, down the hill. :V

It was unfortunate but I had no time to replay the event.

Don't forget, it's still a race for times and result not only an endurance rally. I agree that there is some thrill to it and it's absolutely amazing, but once you fail, the whole event does not count. You don't even have to pay for the repairs on the car, once you fail, the whole thing "never happened", there is no consequence at all to this, since you can also restart the whole event.

I would suggest that you get +15 minutes on any Stage that is still open and you could not finish and make it count to the final rankings. So that even if you fail, you HAVE TO pay the mechanics and the work on the car but atleast you are in the rankings.

Otherwise it's just a long event with a big reward but NO RISKS whatsoever other than wasting time.

[Sean]

How about a flat rate payout of 500cr for every race completed when the event finishes, so you'd still be DNF but get 10,500cr for making it as far as the 22nd stage. I could tolerate this.

[Luigi Vercotti]

What is the reward?

[Sean]

Depending on how high or low you ranked on the leaderboard between about 30-175k credits or somewhere thereabouts, I can't check the exact numbers from work.

[Luigi Vercotti]

Good, thanks ;-)

[{DDB} Ghostface and chill]

Yeah lets petition FIA to change WRC rules too. Lets tell them we want guys that finish the race to get points no matter what their times are and then also if you finish over half of the race you should get half points. Who needs to finish anyways, everyone should get effort points because that is what the spirit of competition is all about. Also they should give extra points to the guys who have really supportive co-drivers that can be heard saying positive things all the time.

[BraveDude8]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mambo:

learn to drive

Yep. Finish the event or get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Discop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von And The Ghostface Killah:

Yeah lets petition FIA to change WRC rules too. Lets tell them we want guys that finish the race to get points no matter what their times are and then also if you finish over half of the race you should get half points. Who needs to finish anyways, everyone should get effort points because that is what the spirit of competition is all about. Also they should give extra points to the guys who have really supportive co-drivers that can be heard saying positive things all the time.

You are missing the point of the whole discussion, in-fact I am pretty sure you weren't even reading half of it.

It's not about giving points to everyone and bombarding people with rewards.

It's about having the possibility of having your time getting ranked, ncluding a 15minute penalty for every stage not raced after after a DNF or not.

Because again, the events have only two outcomes.
Finish, get credits and pay repairs
Don't finish by DNF, don't get any credits, don't pay ANY repairs.

The whole thing feels like very inconsequential since you can also restart the whole event at any point.