Multiplayer with simultaneous ghost car starts (option to turn on/off)

[Cpl. Hicks]

Does anyone know if this will be added to DR?
Will not buy this game without it.

I think it is a great feature so as to allow instant feedback and add to fun competition. I say this being a fan of realism so the simple solution to enjoy both is to allow drivers to turn on/off ghost individually.
Thoughts?

[Plaskus]

I haven't heard anything about it. I guess you mean staggering start, not simultaneous start.

[ramPage]

Multiplayer rally has been a commonly requested feature. I'd say there's a decent chance it gets added but no word yet from codies.

[Meszes]

For a simultaneous PvP rally mode (no ghosts though) there's a good chance in the future:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/310560/discussions/0/521643320371673844/#c521643320372136913

[Tomas Andersson]

Originally posted by Meszes:

For a simultaneous PvP rally mode (no ghosts though) there's a good chance in the future:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/310560/discussions/0/521643320371673844/#c521643320372136913

Yea but that sucks really. You are in a lobby and all you see is some times coming up? What is that!? Thats like now, when you drive a stage and look at the community times????

If thats the PVP for rally, then codies will destroy this MP section.

[ramPage]

T.Anderzon, a few people that gave their input in this thread a month ago made sure to mention they'd like to see multiple options like simultaneous starts, staggered starts, the ability to toggle ghosts, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/3ih72d/wishlistwednesday_pvp_special/

[Tomas Andersson]

Originally posted by ramPage:

T.Anderzon, a few people that gave their input in this thread a month ago made sure to mention they'd like to see multiple options like simultaneous starts, staggered starts, the ability to toggle ghosts, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/3ih72d/wishlistwednesday_pvp_special/

We will see how they create it. For me, its a no go, if they create the PvP as "drive a stage alone and see the others stage time when you finish" Then its like driving offline more or less.

But if they listnen and gives us option to create lobbies with real staggered starts, and the other stuff, then its include something for us all.

I really hope to se an improvement from Dirt 3 MP with staggered starts. Thats real rally.

[Baal Netbeck]

I don't see the point in staggered starts, compared to just drive and look at the times at the end of the stage. There is no magic mini map with the other cars on display, to look them while driving, so it would be just useless waiting for your turn , drive the stage and compare the times afterwards. What should be changed in the league system, is the points system. only the first few getting points and the rest has zero.....

[dodge33cymru]

Originally posted by T.Anderzon:

Originally posted by rodgerdavies:

Times. Doing it simultaneously and having splits. There's a huge difference between doing it as an event, where it's up to how you do in the moment, and comparing your times to a leaderboard where the leaders have done the stages 200 times with restarts.

For me, to drive a event by myself and just look at times is not good at all and real boring. For me, then I can drive offline instead.

But that's rallying.

Again, there's nothing realistic about cars setting off at 20 second intervals.

Plus, my word it would be annoying having to try passing people. Lose that and you make it impossible to have wreckers, people carelessly in your way, collisions as a result of lagging; all the things that can be really frustrating in lobbies of circuit racing games.

Would ghost cars be a fair compromise to you?

[Tomas Andersson]

Originally posted by rodgerdavies:

Originally posted by T.Anderzon:

For me, to drive a event by myself and just look at times is not good at all and real boring. For me, then I can drive offline instead.

But that's rallying.

Again, there's nothing realistic about cars setting off at 20 second intervals.

Plus, my word it would be annoying having to try passing people. Lose that and you make it impossible to have wreckers, people carelessly in your way, collisions as a result of lagging; all the things that can be really frustrating in lobbies of circuit racing games.

Would ghost cars be a fair compromise to you?

I have answer you but you moved it? :) anyway, you got my answer, and yes its rallying to look at others stage times! :)

But I want the realism, the feeling that we accual rallying the stage in a real event. With the Dirt 3 start sequense, you got that feeling. Im not a expert at english so I cant explane my self in a good way, but you maby understand "what Im search for"...

PvP RX, we sitting together on the same track, races togehter as in real, we see the other drivers.

PvP Rally should be the same, We wait in line in the start (as Dirt 3) we see the cars in front take off, we drive the stage and after that, we see the times for the stage.

All I want is a real start sequense. Now, its just lame in Single player, and I think the PvP will be the same.

[dodge33cymru]

Originally posted by T.Anderzon:

Originally posted by rodgerdavies:

But that's rallying.

Again, there's nothing realistic about cars setting off at 20 second intervals.

Plus, my word it would be annoying having to try passing people. Lose that and you make it impossible to have wreckers, people carelessly in your way, collisions as a result of lagging; all the things that can be really frustrating in lobbies of circuit racing games.

Would ghost cars be a fair compromise to you?

I have answer you but you moved it? :) anyway, you got my answer, and yes its rallying to look at others stage times! :)

Ha, sorry, yes, I think I moved it when you were in the middle of writing it! :)

[Birmingham Chuck]

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

I don't see the point in staggered starts, compared to just drive and look at the times at the end of the stage. There is no magic mini map with the other cars on display, to look them while driving, so it would be just useless waiting for your turn , drive the stage and compare the times afterwards. What should be changed in the league system, is the points system. only the first few getting points and the rest has zero.....

This. ^ Not to mention all the griefers and other frustrations that come with multiple drivers being on such a narrow course at the same time.

I don't see the point of ghost cars on the track either. Who wants to see the image of another car racing in front of them while trying to focus on a Rally course? That would be an incredibly frustrating distraction in my opinion. It's hard enough to stay focused and keep the car on the road without that kind of distraction adding to the difficulty.

[ShinChanGaming]

I am the person who is waiting for the stagger start
but it would be great to choose between ghost car PvP and Hard core rally sim PvP

[Cpl. Hicks]

Just to clarify I am not talking about staggered starts I am talking about what the title says.

[Cpl. Hicks]

Originally posted by Birmingham Chuck:

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

I don't see the point in staggered starts, compared to just drive and look at the times at the end of the stage. There is no magic mini map with the other cars on display, to look them while driving, so it would be just useless waiting for your turn , drive the stage and compare the times afterwards. What should be changed in the league system, is the points system. only the first few getting points and the rest has zero.....

This. ^ Not to mention all the griefers and other frustrations that come with multiple drivers being on such a narrow course at the same time.

I don't see the point of ghost cars on the track either. Who wants to see the image of another car racing in front of them while trying to focus on a Rally course? That would be an incredibly frustrating distraction in my opinion. It's hard enough to stay focused and keep the car on the road without that kind of distraction adding to the difficulty.

Which is why it should be an option. If you dont like it you simply turn it off, but it adds a lot of challenge and motivation when you can see how well the other guys are doing in realtime.
Otherwise whats the point just look at a spreadsheet with times on it.

[Meszes]

Originally posted by CPL_HICKS:

it adds a lot of challenge and motivation when you can see how well the other guys are doing in realtime.

It can be done with simultaneous starts as well. You get to see the split times of those that already passed that checkpoint.

I really see no reason of having staggered starts in PvP. The delay would need to be big enough not to encounter others cars on the stage, unless they crashed or just drive too slow to mess up others fun. In real life how many times do you see cars piling up on a stage?

Also I wonder how many players would patiently wait 2:20 at the start line for others to take off just to run a 3-7 minute long stage (with 20s delay in 8 player lobby).

Ghosts could be an option for simultaneous starts, but personally it would just distract and annoy me. Had it turned off in WRC4 for this reason.