What rally cars have no handbrake?

[AshyGreen]

Because I wanna go full-MLGpro and do it the authentic way. What cars have no handbrake?

[HappyDog]

I don't get what you're saying here. Just don't use the handbrake if you don't want that?

Downshift and quickly turn and throttle up, let go of the throttle to gain traction and once you have traction upshift and take off. Alternatively you can do a Scandinavian flick.

[ramPage]

He's asking which cars do not have a handbrake in real life, HappyDog.

[Genosse Diqque]

let's put it this way:
- the first rally cars to have today's hydraulic handbrake, are the cars from group a upwards.
Also all RWD cars.

[Stickleback]

cars with handbrakes are a thing of the past. Old skool! todays modern ♥♥♥♥♥ is all about electronics

[Sgt.SPOOLING]

electronics will never replace a handbrake. especially in race cars, and definitely in cars that are stab and grab. Rally cars from day one have had a handbrake in some form or another.

[Cortextual]

Apparently early 4wd, in this case group b, had no way of unlocking the front and rear diffs so a handbrake would have locked all 4 wheels. This might not be the case for all of the group b cars though. 2wd cars don't suffer from this and later 4wd had more advanced center diffs. Seems tough to get accurate info on each of the cars.

[cjl9]

None. They have to have a secondary brake system to meet the requirements of the Road Traffic Acts. They have to be road legal.

[Cortextual]

Yea they had it, but if it locks all 4 wheels it isn't very useful on a rally stage.

[karik_FIN_134]

100% confirmed
Lancia Stratos (maybe the handbrake lever was missing completety)
All Group B 4WD (Mg Metro, Audi, Rs200, Peugeot 205, Delta S4)
Current hillclimb cars (205, Audi S1, 405)

Not sure of:
1960s Fulvia (and if they're adding Renault Alpine not sure of it either)
1970s Opel Kadett, Fiat Abarth, Ford Escort
Gr B RWD Lancia 037

All the other cars in game i guess had/have a usable handbrake while racing, and they are:
1960s: Mini Cooper S
Gr B RWD: Opel Manta (and if they're gona add Renault 5 Turbo or Maxi Turbo it had useful handbrake)
1980s RWD: both (BWM E30 M3, Ford Sierra Cosworth)
Group A: all (Escort Cosworth, Subaru 1995, Lancia Delta Integrale)
F2 Kit Car: both (Seat, Peugeot 306)
2000s: both (Focus '01, Impreza '01)
2010s: both (Mini Countryman, Ford Fiesta)
Rallycross: all

My discussion on codemasters site for handbrake and transmission info
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/7071/dirt-rally-handbrake-and-transmission-information
There is some videofootage of Escort mkII, Lancia 037, and of course of Gr B 4WDs.

[AshyGreen]

Originally posted by karik_FIN_134:

100% confirmed
Lancia Stratos (maybe the handbrake lever was missing completety)
All Group B 4WD (Mg Metro, Audi, Rs200, Peugeot 205, Delta S4)
Current hillclimb cars (205, Audi S1, 405)

Not sure of:
1960s Fulvia (and if they're adding Renault Alpine not sure of it either)
1970s Opel Kadett, Fiat Abarth, Ford Escort
Gr B RWD Lancia 037

All the other cars in game i guess had/have a usable handbrake while racing, and they are:
1960s: Mini Cooper S
Gr B RWD: Opel Manta (and if they're gona add Renault 5 Turbo or Maxi Turbo it had useful handbrake)
1980s RWD: both (BWM E30 M3, Ford Sierra Cosworth)
Group A: all (Escort Cosworth, Subaru 1995, Lancia Delta Integrale)
F2 Kit Car: both (Seat, Peugeot 306)
2000s: both (Focus '01, Impreza '01)
2010s: both (Mini Countryman, Ford Fiesta)
Rallycross: all

My discussion on codemasters site for handbrake and transmission info
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/7071/dirt-rally-handbrake-and-transmission-information
There is some videofootage of Escort mkII, Lancia 037, and of course of Gr B 4WDs.

You are my hero.

[Bigbazz]

Easy to see that there is no handbrake in the Quattro here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy8CG09rSU


I don't understand the technicals though, the quattro system had a central differential to distribute torque between front/rear, so explain to me why a handbrake would lock all 4 wheels? Genuine question, I'm no engineer.

[Cortextual]

I'm no engineer either, would think the open center diff would allow the front wheels to keep turning when the rears are locked though. Not sure what the reason then for the quattro to have no handbrake but if the stratos didn't have one either there must be some other reason.

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Easy to see that there is no handbrake in the Quattro here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy8CG09rSU


I don't understand the technicals though, the quattro system had a central differential to distribute torque between front/rear, so explain to me why a handbrake would lock all 4 wheels? Genuine question, I'm no engineer.

Don't know the specifics of said quattro, yet without a braking-momentum parallel to that center-diff-action, power would go the path of least resistance - and essentially one wheel without traction would simply "steal" all power from every other wheel. So you want to have a braking-momentum applied to that center-diff: hence self-locking differentials were born. They just were not sophisticated enough yet and / or ruled out to also allow for that braking-momentum to be temporarily over-ruled (opened) for one axle to be brought to a stop / freely be turning at a different speed.

edit: correct term would be "lsd" for "limited-slip-differential" (of which threre are a multitude of designs, essentially achieving similar results - yet each with unique properties).

[AshyGreen]

Okay, can anyone point me any direction to learn the technical progressions in rallying from 70s to like now? I picked up DR about the time I discovered my inner car-guy and I could use some crash courses.

(Or should I just play Automation instead?)

[a basic bitch]

What a terrible bunch of answers. The only correct answer to the topic is "None," because a "handbreak" is not a thing cars have.

Even a quick google search will tell a person that uncommonly known fact.

Many of the vehicles, in fact, have a "handbrake."