The Group B 4WD cars didnt have proper hand brakes?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/34pcuw/handbrake_in_group_b_rally_cars/

[zuch.tomek]

Originally posted by rodgerdavies:

Originally posted by achilles_actual:

Either Group B cars did have handbrakes, or Google Images is very confused about the interior pictures it's finding for me.

e.g. http://vpstestbringatrailercom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/1986_Ford_RS200_Group_B_Evolution_Rally_Car_Interior_1.jpg

And I doubt anyone would be in favor of only enabling the handbrake in those Group B cars that did have them (but maybe I'm guessing wrong there, we seem to be a pretty sim-oriented group here....)

It's not that they didn't have handbrakes, it's that the 4wd was permanent (it was relatively new tech at the time) and couldn't be split to just the rear, so using it would lock all 4 wheels. Hope that makes sense.

The RWD cars of the era could use them, so that's one reason the 2wd cars could keep up with the others on tarmac rounds and why 037s, Renault 5s, Porsches and the like were competitive on certain events.

If this change were made, it would be great to see them merge the 2 Group B classes IMO.

+1 for removing handbrake (as option)
and
+1 for merging group B

[BorisNotRussian]

historically..hmm. idk about that, i just ask a rally driver :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xw8DJY7aZQ

[a basic bitch]

What the hell is a handbreak?

[z]

I heard that Mazda 6 M-something disengages its AWD when handbraking.

[Blink]

Originally posted by a basic ♥♥♥♥♥:

What the hell is a handbreak?

Well, when two men love each other very, very much, one of them.........

[Zlu]

Is the group B handbrake a much important issue when you can play a mini cooper with sequential shifting and abs ?

Maybe you should just don't use it if you don't want to. It seems to be a pretty easy fix, without annoying who want to play without an imposed radical sim experience. Do you also want to "remove" keyboard input, because you can't drive a rally car with a keyboard IRL ?

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

Originally posted by Zlu:

Is the group B handbrake a much important issue when you can play a mini cooper with sequential shifting and abs ?

I would vote for "yes, it is!" - since you can introduce artificial timing-restrictions on the "virtual h-shift" - and a realistic ABS would simply not allow for full-on braking-force on a loose surface. No Idea how DR models these things: I do not use them: So let's make the users of those "the judge".

Maybe you should just don't use it if you don't want to. It seems to be a pretty easy fix, without annoying who want to play without an imposed radical sim experience. Do you also want to "remove" keyboard input, because you can't drive a rally car with a keyboard IRL ?

I am o.k. with making having a "working handbrake" an optional driving-aid ... that gets reflected in the leaderboard(s). As long as there are timed competitions that do not filter these things properly: I am for getting rid of that "feature that was not to be".

[Crash McWreakit VR]

I have just sent a message to Kalle Grundle (ex RS200 driver) as he is a friend to ask his opinion on the matter

[cjl9]

I think OP is incorrect. Rally cars drive on the public road so they have to be road legal. The Road Traffic Act requires a secondary brake system other than the hydraulic footbrake.

[Cortextual]

Originally posted by cjlloyd:

I think OP is incorrect. Rally cars drive on the public road so they have to be road legal. The Road Traffic Act requires a secondary brake system other than the hydraulic footbrake.

Originally posted by Hans Yolo:

Well, they did have an e-brake, but those were more of a parking brake, than the hydraulic e-brakes today's WRC cars have.

But I get what you mean, so +1

I never use e-brake on Group B cars anyways, so.... a little redundant for myself, but would make the challenge of driving Group B a little more realistic.

Literally the first post in this thread. Well unless you count the OP I guess...

The handbrakes should be realistic, if it locked all 4 wheels IRL it should in game, trouble is people who aren't aware of that will suddenly be understeering off cliffs at hairpins. But they will soon learn lol

[quejki]

+1 remove handbrake from Group B codies

[Bigbazz]

It doesn't teach any bad habbits because.

1. It's faster to have use of handbrake as it works right now.
2. Nobody is using Dirt Rally to learn to become a Rally driver
3. Even if they did, Group B ended 29 years ago.

It would be more realistic if they had no handbrakes, but lets not overstate the relevance here.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

It would be more realistic if they had no handbrakes, but lets not overstate the relevance here.

This game is going for realistic so surely every other point is invalid

[Bad Touch]

Group B rally cars had to be street legal (or have special permits), between stages they drove them on public (open) roads which would suggest the handbrake wasn't removed. Part of a 4wd (AWD) vehicle is a centre diff which were open differentials meaning the front wheels could spin at diffent rates to the rear. Think normal RWD vehicles, jack up one side and the wheel can be spun freely. So why then would pulling the handbrake lock the front wheels also? Possibly the centre diff was locked, but that'd cause a lot off stress on drivetrains when run on dry tarmac stages. I've owned many, many cars a few of them AWD and one 4WD. Only one of these had a fluid assisted HB, yet all responded by locking the wheels the HB was attached to and only those wheels.The exception being the 4WD (with 4WD engaged) because it had no centre diff. Now I've watched more than my fair share of Rally footage focused mainly late70's- early 2000s and except for one case the drivers of Group B AWD vehicles didn't seem to use the handbrake.

Ther's a good chance I'm a blubbering idiot with no clue, if so please explain to me why we can't use what was most likely available in the real life versions of our digital toys? Or explain why they weren't available or able to be used..

[a basic bitch]

Originally posted by Bad Touch:

Group B rally cars had to be street legal (or have special permits), between stages they drove them on public (open) roads which would suggest the handbrake wasn't removed. Part of a 4wd (AWD) vehicle is a centre diff which were open differentials meaning the front wheels could spin at diffent rates to the rear. Think normal RWD vehicles, jack up one side and the wheel can be spun freely. So why then would pulling the handbrake lock the front wheels also? Possibly the centre diff was locked, but that'd cause a lot off stress on drivetrains when run on dry tarmac stages. I've owned many, many cars a few of them AWD and one 4WD. Only one of these had a fluid assisted HB, yet all responded by locking the wheels the HB was attached to and only those wheels.The exception being the 4WD (with 4WD engaged) because it had no centre diff. Now I've watched more than my fair share of Rally footage focused mainly late70's- early 2000s and except for one case the drivers of Group B AWD vehicles didn't seem to use the handbrake.

Ther's a good chance I'm a blubbering idiot with no clue, if so please explain to me why we can't use what was most likely available in the real life versions of our digital toys? Or explain why they weren't available or able to be used..

It is because the first AWD vehicles did not have open center differentials. The fronts and backs always turned at the same speed, because the technology was new.

Locking the fronts or rears would lock the other side as well because it was a "primitive" form of AWD.