Clutch and gear changes

[Randomheppu]

Game won't allow gear changes without driver school style gear changes. I miss a lot of gear changes to neutral, becouse I'm used to use real car. Now I wrote about it becouse this feature again ruined my online event. Is there any news will it fixed to work like real clutch. If there is no allowed to put gear in like real car, please add feature that will go in but with delay.

[Mukatahren]

There doesn't seem to be enough people complaining about it to get any official attention, unfortunately.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

There doesn't seem to be enough people complaining about it to get any official attention, unfortunately.

It's hard to complain if most had not ever drived a car :)

Anyway my fun had runned out and I start to focus winter rally season in Finland. Main reason I take a brake is new arcade handling, flying cars and co-driver which we can't even mod.

[Baal Netbeck]

Try reducing the clutch saturation. it gives you an earlier biting point so you dont miss so much gear changes.
I personal like, that DR does not forgive sloppy gear changes like other games. But it is frustrating, when you miss a gear and cant power out of a corner and it results in a crash.

[BadNyga]

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

Try reducing the clutch saturation. it gives you an earlier biting point so you dont miss so much gear changes.
I personal like, that DR does not forgive sloppy gear changes like other games. But it is frustrating, when you miss a gear and cant power out of a corner and it results in a crash.

I have my saturation set up in a way, that the clutch bites fully 1/3 of the way. This way I have reduced the gear change issue to minimum. Try it @ around 30%.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

Try reducing the clutch saturation. it gives you an earlier biting point so you dont miss so much gear changes.
I personal like, that DR does not forgive sloppy gear changes like other games. But it is frustrating, when you miss a gear and cant power out of a corner and it results in a crash.

It's not forgiving if in real rally car you are able to change gears without clutch :)

[lolschrauber]

I just gave up and changed to sequential. A lot less frustrating.

[BadNyga]

You can do manual sequential [so no clutch is needed] as far as I know.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by r3pr3z3nt:

You can do manual sequential [so no clutch is needed] as far as I know.

You loose diff lock braking, also gear change is as slow as sequental and it's not simulator then. But yeah you can drive without clutch.

[Baal Netbeck]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

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It's not forgiving if in real rally car you are able to change gears without clutch :)

In the real rally cars, where u dont need the clutch to shift, you have a sequential transmission. So an old real rally car has H-pattern and u need the clutch.

I think it is nicely balanced. With sequential u get a tiny delay and with H-pattern+clutch you may miss a gear change from time to time. So Everyone can just choose what he likes the best. For me it is H-pattern+clutch, but I also like the older cars more.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

It's not forgiving if in real rally car you are able to change gears without clutch :)

In the real rally cars, where u dont need the clutch to shift, you have a sequential transmission. So an old real rally car has H-pattern and u need the clutch.

I think it is nicely balanced. With sequential u get a tiny delay and with H-pattern+clutch you may miss a gear change from time to time. So Everyone can just choose what he likes the best. For me it is H-pattern+clutch, but I also like the older cars more.

Let me say this very clear. When I drive real rally car where is H pattern and clutch. I do not change gears 5-4-3 with clutch. Other changes I use clutch.

You can check how to do slowly it at 5:20 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl7O01h7MU4

[Baal Netbeck]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

Originally posted by Baal Netbeck:

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Let me say this very clear. When I drive real rally car where is H pattern and clutch. I do not change gears 5-4-3 with clutch. Other changes I use clutch.

You can check how to do slowly it at 5:20 in this video.
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I forgot about shifting with rev matching. :(.
I have done that in my old car to try it out(the transmission was worn out anyway), but u need a good feel of the rpm, the speed and feel the shifter too. U need to feel when u can shift and apply the right amound of trottle push when downshifting, or u will just grind the gears. I was able to do it only half the time so I stopped trying to save my transmission.

I didn't say that shiftig and clutch works fine in DR(look at roll-starting), but I didn't expect it to work in game. U have no ffb in the shifter and how do u want it to work? Should it work every time so u can't fail or should it work the realistic way and it only works 20% of the time(sounds realistic to me if u cant feel it)
I think it is balanced but I will not complain if it gets easier for H-pattern users like me^^.

[LibranRabbit...the 1%]

Interesting?...I'm using 3 pedal setup and toe healing with no issues! Maybe your not as good as you think in shifting? Don't take it personally.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by LibranRabbit...the 1%...:

Interesting?...I'm using 3 pedal setup and toe healing with no issues! Maybe your not as good as you think in shifting? Don't take it personally.

Yes I am not very good at it in this game or with real car. But I'm quite sure that gear will be in when I need it in real car. It has nothing to do with skill, it's more like crushing power from arm :D

[Mukatahren]

If the clutch isn't fully disengaged when you shift into neutral DiRT Rally decides that you have miss-shifted. It's occuring when you are shifting out of gear into neutral. This is not how a real car behaves (rev matching etc). Yesterday I had to reselect 3rd gear three times before DiRT was happy with the shift. Ridiculous. And it isn't just a matter of reselcting the gear - you have to activate the clutch again to get it out of neutral even though the clutch is already pushed in, then put it back into gear then attempt the whole thing again. The clutch is not analogue so there is no slip at all - it's either on or off. No car I have ever driven (even ones with a particularly heavy-duty clutch) have been so problematic in real life. And not that it is really relevant, but every single sim and racing game I have ever owned which supported the use of a clutch setup has not been problematic in quite this way - so it makes DiRT uniquely annoying.

The disappointing part is that many people who would otherwise use full manual with clutch are running H-pattern + sequential with clutch overrride instead because the current system is such a pain in the arse. The current system may have been designed with realism in mind, but it doesn't feel real. Human error means that miss-shifts will occur anyway - there is no need for an added handicap. Having a game mode which is shunned by players who would otherwise use it exclusively suggests that there is potentially something wrong with the way the mode is implemented.

I'd rather play in full manual but if this system isn't going to be changed then there is no point because it puts you at a huge disadvantage compared to your competitors who have likely already grown frustrated to the point where they abandonded the mode altogether.

But I've posted all of this before to no avail, so I'm not holding my breath that it will be addressed.

[Baal Netbeck]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

If the clutch isn't fully disengaged when you shift into neutral DiRT Rally decides that you have miss-shifted. It's occuring when you are shifting out of gear into neutral. This is not how a real car behaves (rev matching etc). Yesterday I had to reselect 3rd gear three times before DiRT was happy with the shift. Ridiculous. And it isn't just a matter of reselcting the gear - you have to activate the clutch again to get it out of neutral even though the clutch is already pushed in, then put it back into gear then attempt the whole thing again. The clutch is not analogue so there is no slip at all - it's either on or off. No car I have ever driven (even ones with a particularly heavy-duty clutch) have been so problematic in real life. And not that it is really relevant, but every single sim and racing game I have ever owned which supported the use of a clutch setup has not been problematic in quite this way - so it makes DiRT uniquely annoying.

The disappointing part is that many people who would otherwise use full manual with clutch are running H-pattern + sequential with clutch overrride instead because the current system is such a pain in the arse. The current system may have been designed with realism in mind, but it doesn't feel real. Human error means that miss-shifts will occur anyway - there is no need for an added handicap. Having a game mode which is shunned by players who would otherwise use it exclusively suggests that there is potentially something wrong with the way the mode is implemented.

I'd rather play in full manual but if this system isn't going to be changed then there is no point because it puts you at a huge disadvantage compared to your competitors who have likely already grown frustrated to the point where they abandonded the mode altogether.

But I've posted all of this before to no avail, so I'm not holding my breath that it will be addressed.

I just tested it, and u can shift into N without the clutch. you only need it for going into a gear.
And there is not just on and off. Try to stand still with full trottle in first gear. release the clutch fast and ur wheels spin, search carefully for the biting point and the car sets off smooth.
And that u need to release and push the clutch after a misshift is wrong too!
If u missed the shift u didn't pushed the clutch, so push it now, go out of the gear position into N and back into the gear, then release the clutch and it is fine. Do not blame the game for your mistake.

Like said by Fisu, there are some mechaniks not working, but the cases u are describing are working.