Lift off over steer in AWD ?

[wolfe]

One thing that bugs me about this game is the lack of lift off over steer, i use my car as is, standard, but even with that i should get some over steer as all the weight is going to the front wheels, so should gain some grip and steering, but i find when theres no power going to the wheels i seem to lose alot of the steering, which isnt right, i always feel i have to put some power in to get any type of steering again

[Plaskus]

Basically all AWD cars are understeery. To get more oversteering you need to apply more power to the rear wheels. That's why RWD cars can easily spin around if you use to much throttle.

[Randomheppu]

Drift cars is a different sport. Rally car will understeer becouse it's faster way to move.

[Rookie-31st]

Lift off oversteer depends mostly on car size and center of gravity not drive (FWD, RWD or AWD) because it is LIFT OFF oversteer - no power input goes to the wheels, oversteer happens because of weight transfer due to deceleration.

[Plaskus]

Lift off oversteer as in jumping over a crest? If so i didn't see that. Only read "oversteer in 4x4" :P

[MISTER WU]

i find with all wheel drive cars the best thing is get the back end of the car right out there so you can pull out of the corner. Entry speed is always bad in 4x4 cars but exit speed if great!

[Madhun67]

Not modelled great in Dirt.
from Wiki;

Lift-off oversteer (also known as snap-oversteer, trailing-throttle oversteer, throttle off oversteer, or lift-throttle oversteer) is a form of oversteer in automobiles that occurs while cornering when closing the throttle causes a deceleration, causing the vertical load on the tires to shift from the rear to the front, in a process called weight transfer. This decrease in vertical load on the rear tires causes a decrease in the lateral force they generate, so that their lateral acceleration (into the corner) is also decreased. This causes the vehicle to steer more tightly into the turn, hence oversteering. In other words, easing off the accelerator can cause the rear tires to lose traction, with the potential for the car to leave the road tail first.

[Mukatahren]

Bias the power a bit more towards the rear. Loosening the rear roll bar may help, too, but adjusting the differential settings (loosening) should suffice on the 4X4 cars and you get the added bonus of being able to take sharp corners with reduced understeer.

[KalElRedK]

Yes the differential setting is important. A strong differential can avoid lift of oversteer.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

Bias the power a bit more towards the rear. Loosening the rear roll bar may help, too, but adjusting the differential settings (loosening) should suffice on the 4X4 cars and you get the added bonus of being able to take sharp corners with reduced understeer.

Pretty much this.
Reduce the rear camber too. And give it a bit of outward toe so the rear is more likely to want to step out.

[wolfe]

Think a few are getting understeer and oversteer wrong,

Lift off oversteer is when you release the throttle, the weight moves to the front wheels, therefore the back loses grip and the front gains grip, the back then wants to overtake the front, this is the best way to drive rally cars around corners, specially on lose surfaces

So unless you do the scandinavian flip on every corner the only other way to promote oversteer is to rely on lift off oversteer, but this game struggles to implement that,

Might be the car settings as there default, so will take the advice from a few here and try changing those

Originally posted by rookie31st:

Lift off oversteer depends mostly on car size and center of gravity not drive (FWD, RWD or AWD) because it is LIFT OFF oversteer - no power input goes to the wheels, oversteer happens because of weight transfer due to deceleration.

It does matter greatly as with AWD the wheels are not moving as freely as in FWD or RWD, there locked front and back with the diff to the engine breaking, plus you still feather the throttle to balance the car through the corner

[flatdarkmars]

Car setup will probably help. Certain cars like the Peugeot 306 Maxi and the Lancia 037 already exhibit lift-off oversteer, others not so much. But I haven't bothered working out a setup for many of the cars.

[Rookie-31st]

Originally posted by wolfe.uk:

It does matter greatly as with AWD the wheels are not moving as freely as in FWD or RWD, there locked front and back with the diff to the engine breaking, plus you still feather the throttle to balance the car through the corner

True, differential settings is important factor, but same can be said about toe, camber, anti roll bar. You can tune them to increase or decrease oversteer. Root cause of lift off oversteer is however same for all kinds of drive. And balancing car through the corner is no longer lift off oversteer - it is powersliding.

[Crash McWreakit VR]

Originally posted by my cow is cute:

Not modelled great in Dirt.
from Wiki;

Lift-off oversteer (also known as snap-oversteer, trailing-throttle oversteer, throttle off oversteer, or lift-throttle oversteer) is a form of oversteer in automobiles that occurs while cornering when closing the throttle causes a deceleration, causing the vertical load on the tires to shift from the rear to the front, in a process called weight transfer. This decrease in vertical load on the rear tires causes a decrease in the lateral force they generate, so that their lateral acceleration (into the corner) is also decreased. This causes the vehicle to steer more tightly into the turn, hence oversteering. In other words, easing off the accelerator can cause the rear tires to lose traction, with the potential for the car to leave the road tail first.

this WIKI description is spot on, and it is something that the devs didn't get right in the physics of the game, there is a hint of weight transfer I can get it to happen and the cars will dance through the corners. But it could do with being more pronounced for sure.