Why such short first gear?

[lthull]

I have noticed that on some cars, e.g. BMW M3 or RS200, the first gear is really short. Is there a good reason for this, or is it just a poor stock setup on CM's part. Are there advantages to having the first gear being really short? To me, it seems like a waste of a gear. After the initial start, there is never a need (or should I say, an "appropriate opportunity") to use it again unless you spin out. Thanks.

[david.artrex]

In rally cars the first gear is often only used to start or get out of the gravel again, when you left the track.

[eddskitz]

Change it if you don't like it.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by david.artrex:

In rally cars the first gear is often only used to start or get out of the gravel again, when you left the track.

Well it's the FIA homologation papers what says the rations you can use in real rally car. In this game setups are not ralistic. Here is a document for Mini http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.uk/pdf/homo_1275.pdf the page 11 you find what you should use in gear ratios.

Some cars have long first gear. Those which have short, I recommend to start the gravel stages with second gear. Basically almost all cars in this game becose there is no damage to clutch or driveshafts.

On snow surface I use all the time second gear with stock cars. It's quite fast way to go with street tyres.

[Mukatahren]

The Ford Escort might as well not even have a first gear. I make 1st gear taller on just about every car in this game.
I'm glad that we can alter the gear ratios individually - having freedom in the setup allows you to compensate for certain shortcomings in the game.

[eddskitz]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

The Ford Escort might as well not even have a first gear. I make 1st gear taller on just about every car in this game.
I'm glad that we can alter the gear ratios individually - having freedom in the setup allows you to compensate for certain shortcomings in the game.

This, all day.

[Bigbazz]

Why is short first gear an issue? I'l be honest I haven't paid attention to it but of the last two cars I've owned (Focus ST, A4 Quattro) the first one had a long ass first gear, hell even 2nd gear went up to 70mph, while the 2nd car has a very short first gear in that it's useless for anything other than pulling off.

Unless you have pretty solid proof/evidence that the ratios are off then I don't see the point in this thread, it isn't gonna achieve anything, since it's fairly normal for some cars in real life to have both really short and really long first gears.

[Mukatahren]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Unless you have pretty solid proof/evidence that the ratios are off then I don't see the point in this thread, it isn't gonna achieve anything, since it's fairly normal for some cars in real life to have both really short and really long first gears.

The point of his thread was to obviously ask questions and learn about the game. How about you let him do that without running him down?
The OP has created a polite post which is easy to understand and his questions are all relevant. So what are you even doing here?

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Unless you have pretty solid proof/evidence that the ratios are off then I don't see the point in this thread, it isn't gonna achieve anything, since it's fairly normal for some cars in real life to have both really short and really long first gears.

The point of his thread was to obviously ask questions and learn about the game. How about you let him do that without running him down?
The OP has created a polite post which is easy to understand and his questions are all relevant. So what are you even doing here?

And the thread had began on a course of "game is bad/wrong" - if we're going to start accusing the game of having "shortcomings" that are based on real life comparisons then it would be nice to not have another thread full of nonsense discussion between clueless people.

If the ratios are particularely wrong then prove it, maybe it can be shown to the devs and the defaults changed accordingly.. Otherwise all you're doing is reinforcing a discussion that will turn into a thread like all the others full of clueless posters complaining about things that are a certain way for a very valid reason.

I answered his question, some cars just have pointlessly short first gears, a lot of cars infact, in both racing and on the road.

[Mukatahren]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

And the thread had began on a course of "game is bad/wrong" - if we're going to start accusing the game of having "shortcomings" that are based on real life comparisons then it would be nice to not have another thread full of nonsense discussion between clueless people.

If the ratios are particularely wrong then prove it, maybe it can be shown to the devs and the defaults changed accordingly.. Otherwise all you're doing is reinforcing a discussion that will turn into a thread like all the others full of clueless posters complaining about things that are a certain way for a very valid reason.

I answered his question, some cars just have pointlessly short first gears, a lot of cars infact, in both racing and on the road.

Show me where he says the ratios are wrong. Show me where he says the game is bad. He has asked simple questions which you apparently didn't even read. Stop letting your ego do the posting for you.

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

And the thread had began on a course of "game is bad/wrong" - if we're going to start accusing the game of having "shortcomings" that are based on real life comparisons then it would be nice to not have another thread full of nonsense discussion between clueless people.

If the ratios are particularely wrong then prove it, maybe it can be shown to the devs and the defaults changed accordingly.. Otherwise all you're doing is reinforcing a discussion that will turn into a thread like all the others full of clueless posters complaining about things that are a certain way for a very valid reason.

I answered his question, some cars just have pointlessly short first gears, a lot of cars infact, in both racing and on the road.

Show me where he says the ratios are wrong. Show me where he says the game is bad. He has asked simple questions which you apparently didn't even read. Stop letting your ego do the posting for you.

I specifically said the thread, not the opening post. It was you yourself that commented you were overcoming the shortcomings of the game. Stop getting so mad at the world.

[Mukatahren]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

I specifically said the thread, not the opening post. It was you yourself that commented you were overcoming the shortcomings of the game. Stop getting so mad at the world.

I'm not mad at aht world, I just call out Steam Brats whenever I see them.

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by Mukatahren:

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

I specifically said the thread, not the opening post. It was you yourself that commented you were overcoming the shortcomings of the game. Stop getting so mad at the world.

I'm not mad at aht world, I just call out Steam Brats whenever I see them.

You want to look in the mirror once in a while.

[Randomheppu]

I sayd this game is wrong in gear ratios and if you do not trus FIA's documents I can't help you ;)

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

I sayd this game is wrong in gear ratios and if you do not trus FIA's documents I can't help you ;)

This is for the MK1 Mini

https://i.gyazo.com/fd1cbf8a3f7c73371c237b2e18d6f40d.png

From your documents, that's just one car in the game and not one of the cars the OP mentioned, we also have no direct comparison of numbers right here, don't forget also that many of the cars here are based on owned vehicles, and thus may be different from the exact base specs of the vehicle during competition in the era.

The ingame mini has

1 : 4.165
2 : 2.137
3 : 1.479
4 : 1.163
Final : 4.0

Different to the documents, but the ingame mini also has 100bhp while the documented mini has 75.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

I sayd this game is wrong in gear ratios and if you do not trus FIA's documents I can't help you ;)

This is for the MK1 Mini

https://i.gyazo.com/fd1cbf8a3f7c73371c237b2e18d6f40d.png

From your documents, that's just one car in the game and not one of the cars the OP mentioned, we also have no direct comparison of numbers right here, don't forget also that many of the cars here are based on owned vehicles, and thus may be different from the exact base specs of the vehicle during competition in the era.

The ingame mini has

1 : 4.165
2 : 2.137
3 : 1.479
4 : 1.163
Final : 4.0

Different to the documents, but the ingame mini also has 100bhp while the documented mini has 75.

Yeah that engine can have 100hp.

I really do not care is gearbox ratios correct ones. Maybe there is some extra sheet what is missing in that source. As long cars from same group are competitive agianst each other I'm fine with it. My concern is more that ratios can be fixed stepless and unrealistic way. I think it could be more sim styled if there is available only those gear ratios what are used in real rally cars.