What exactly is the point of Agnes?

[Stabbey]

Even when Simon was terrible, at least he had a niche. I don't really get at all the role Agnes is supposed to have. She is just not fun to play at all.

Getting Revenge (5) in exchange for 20 less HP and 2 less HP per potion bottle is not very thrilling.

Her wand is atrocious garbage. The stunning on hit effect is unfortunately not a good enough compensation for the lousy damage and slow rate of fire it has. Her wand's alt-fire is literally useless. The way it spreads makes it impossible to predict if you'll hit anything with the side bolts. If the idea behind her wand is to stun and then switch to a useful weapon, then she should probably start out with that perk that lets you swap weapons much faster.

If status effects are supposed to be her thing, then she should start out with Torture (2) as one of her starting perks. But again, I'm just guessing here because it's not clear what the intended way for her to play is, because she seems to be lacking the needed tools.

If some of those changes do happen (not holding my breath), I don't really think that she needs much of a nerf to "balance it out" because Agnes is already a ****ty character who again, is not fun to play as. At all.

[The Nuclear King]

Besides her looks, she is pretty d*mn droll to play.

I mean really? Stunning? Stuns are litterally the most boring status effect to inflict in game! Oh goody, you slow somone down a bit, and they fire less often. I'll totally pick that over TOTALLY IMOBOLIZING SOMEONE, or killing them with poison.

Her entire character is about stunning everything in sight, and doing less damage, AND hacing less hp. At least the alchemist gets the perk of bursting out all his mana at once, and starting with an alchemy weapon, which is at least kinda fun.

There is nothing fun about Stuns, that is all.

[Stabbey]

If she's supposed to stun-and-switch, she should probably also start out with the talent that lets you swap weapons faster. Nimble Hands, I think?

[The Nuclear King]

Originally posted by Stabbey:

If she's supposed to stun-and-switch, she should probably also start out with the talent that lets you swap weapons faster. Nimble Hands, I think?

Even then, why bother with her? Loki is instantly better than her by default for being able to poison! Stuns do essentually NOTHING! Are you honestly going to tell me you would rather slow people down and reduce their fire rate when you can freeze people entirely, OR poison them?

What might be cool is if her wand could inflict ANY of the in game status effects, along side poison touch with revenge to be able to passivly add status effects as well. This would allow her to be highly unpredictable, and fun do to her random nature.

Maybe it would also be fun to have her wand fire alot faster, with some extra damage debuff, maybe less accuracy, and alot less mana useage. Her bullets would do pellet damage, but hit constantly, and the constant changeing status effects delt to enemies would help balence the lack of powerful danage.

Maybe it would also be good to add some form of unique passive debuff, like random moments of foggy vishion do to self spell testing, or something, I dunno. Something to put her on the ranks of that of the Vampire, or Battle-mage.

There's alot to be done with the idea of a character that specializes in status effects, but specializing in stuns?... No. Maybe Stuns need a buff in general, but at the moment, stuns are just boring. And a character AROUND stuns is, guess what? Boring.