Tips on trying to take off with the Mosquito?

[Colmaniac]

Atm got issues trying to take off with the Mosquito.
This happens every time, open up the the throttles and the plane just spins out,
Tried most things but cant get it to work,
so far tried setting flaps to 20%, pull back on stick, open the throttles, but soon as you past 10 mph it just spins out, tried using opp brake but doesnt do anything, also tried using full opp rudder but just keeps turning in the same direction, Using full realism with rudder and brake quadrant and throttle quadrants. Even just shutting down the engines and using full opp brake the plane doesn't seem to stop rotating.

Have no isses flying the HE111, I just tap the brake`s to keep it in a straight line.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

i was spinning like a loon in the mossie until i realised mt throttle axis were set incorrectly. double check youre not doubled up like i was and are just revving one engine more than the other.

[Perkomobil]

The Mossie uses differential braking - it doesn't have independent wheelbrakes. To brake, use left/right rudder and the brake-stick (wheel-brake in the keybinds, iirc). Like OrLoK said above, make sure you aren't putting more throttle on one engine and take it slow.

[Colmaniac]

Thanks, my throttle quadrant are fine, same for prop pitch.

Ok so with the dif brakes to brake tight I need the right brake and right rudder?

[Hootman]

Not in game right now to see, but just a thought, remember many of the aircraft have funky ways to operate the aircraft. For instance, the P51 and other aircraft you hold the stick full aft to engage the tail wheel with the pedals, so when taking off I hold the stick full aft using the pedals (tailwheel) until I get fast enough that the rudder comes into play, then it's back to neutral and pull back to take off.

Also as others mentioned maybe it's how the brakes work, might have to do something funky.

Just saying, maybe the Mosquito has one of these funky ways to work brakes/tailwheels. Operations like that will be in the aircraft description in game as "notes" or something at the bottom of the description.

[ey]

If you're struggling to correct for the torque, one trick you can use is to hold the brakes as you throttle up.

You'll still have to correct a little after the initial throttle increase but it's much more manageable.

This was a technique detailed in a mosquito pilot's recollections of flying the plane iirc.

[Colmaniac]

Still cant get it, as soon as the plane starts moving it starts to spin, even holding the opposite rudder and brake doesn't work, I can keep it straight below 10 mph but as soon as you get past that I see the plane start to turn in the opposite direction so I flip the controls to full but it doesn't correct just goes into a spin.

Ok, managed to figure it out lol, seems the brakes dont work anyway without rudder control, so only way I can do this is both brakes, 15% flaps, full stick back, full rpm, then wack throttle to full with slight left rudder then adjust left and right rudder still with both brakes on till i get enough speed to get the arse off the ground and release the brakes. Trial and error till I got the amount of rudder control right then tried this 3 times and 3 perfect takeoffs.

[ey]

the differential brakes do require rudder input and it can feel pretty weird vs. independent wheel brakes.

Sounds like you've got it all under control now but I found the post detailing the takeoff procedure and wanted to add it in since it explains things more clearly than I did:

"Found the magazine. Kiwi Flyer, issue 50 2017. The main article within is: Mosquito - Rebuild and Pilots Report. It covers one of 3 Mosquitos rebuilt and flight tested in NZ before being sold and shipped to the US.

The article has this to say about the takeoff roll of the Mosquito.

"George removed a lot of the threat of the swing on takeoff that the Mosquito has something of a reputation for. By using his 'zero boost' technique -running the engines up to zero bost (30 inches of manifold pressure on an American aircraft) on the brakes, then immediately going to take off power upon brake release - symmetrical take off power is established at the very beginning of the take off roll and any subsequent swing is easy to deal with. ""

(post from R33GZ on the il-2 forums)

[Colmaniac]

Originally posted by ey:

the differential brakes do require rudder input and it can feel pretty weird vs. independent wheel brakes.

Sounds like you've got it all under control now but I found the post detailing the takeoff procedure and wanted to add it in since it explains things more clearly than I did:

"Found the magazine. Kiwi Flyer, issue 50 2017. The main article within is: Mosquito - Rebuild and Pilots Report. It covers one of 3 Mosquitos rebuilt and flight tested in NZ before being sold and shipped to the US.

The article has this to say about the takeoff roll of the Mosquito.

"George removed a lot of the threat of the swing on takeoff that the Mosquito has something of a reputation for. By using his 'zero boost' technique -running the engines up to zero bost (30 inches of manifold pressure on an American aircraft) on the brakes, then immediately going to take off power upon brake release - symmetrical take off power is established at the very beginning of the take off roll and any subsequent swing is easy to deal with. ""

(post from R33GZ on the il-2 forums)

Thanks, been messing around with remapping controls for the Mos and the others. switching to the 1st gear on the charger then full RPM and full throttle the plane barely twitches around with the full power torque, once I got above 50 for the rudder to work just switched the charger to automatic.

[Tomus]

I am completely stuck with the Mosquito. It just spins on the runway no matter what I do. I don't have one of those funky sticks just a basic logitech one - is that the issue?

[Colmaniac]

Originally posted by Tomus:

I am completely stuck with the Mosquito. It just spins on the runway no matter what I do. I don't have one of those funky sticks just a basic logitech one - is that the issue?

No not controller issue, though how do you use your rudder control, is it linked to your J-stick or separate? I.e rudder foot peddles or twist on J-stick.

Issue is the plane its self, also similar with the spitfire, common term used by pilots were "the spit on the ground was a ♥♥♥♥♥, in the air she is a queen"

You need to set the plane up first before takeoff. If you are already on the grass/runway ready to fly then that`s ok. Also this depends on if you have full engine management or auto, either way still works the same. Pull back on the flight stick as this will engage the tail wheel lock. With full engine management, put RPM to full, switch the supercharger needs to be set for 1st gear, this lowers the torque in initial power up and avoids the pull from the engine. Hold the brake on, as the rudder control does the brake. Open the throttle to 80% then a few seconds later as you are moving open to 100%. During this time the rudder doesnt work but the brakes do so still use the rudder with the brake on so each wheel brakes as you rotate the rudder, if I remember the plane will pull to the left so use slight right rudder brake. By this time you should have enough speed above 30 mph for you to release the brakes and the rudder becomes more effective. As you go beyond 50 mph and your take off path is straight, return the supercharger back to normal/automatic, then take off as normal.

Practice first till you get a feel for it, it does take time so don`t expect it to work first time, took me a few take off mishaps before I got the hang of it :).

[Tomus]

Thanks - I think I have the knack of it now. I was too low on power from the off - my throttle was at like 40%. I tried again whacked up the power and its working!

Thanks a lot for the advice.

[Colmaniac]

yea, you need to "ease" the power on, as going full pelt with the throttle you get the engine kick back from the torque. Grats you got it going now :)