German aircraft nerf

[Fuct Airlines]

So ive been doing a little research before buying this game to see If the standard "il2 FM procedure" is still in place. I have been playing IL2 and all of its expansions since release in 2001-2002? My experience is a great simulator "basically the benchmark" but an obvious effort since the beginning from the Russian developers to weaken historic German Flight model performance because "Propoganda". The feedback indicates that this situation still holds true. Would love to expand my Il2 collection if this weren't the case, But my experience with previous versions makes me very cautious. Also why the current price? $69 For the base game and another $69 for BOM which just adds 8 aircraft? Guys this one isn't hot off the shelf

[Chocoloco]

BoS has constantly seen huge updates so not flogging it is justified. Guess you'll have to wait for the next sale if it isn't worth it to you. BoM also adds more immersion in the generated campaigns, new map and afaik more mp modes available on the moscow map.

[KNEECAPPER]

1. german planes ares abit better overall thats why most people play german.
2. theres not much money in making ww2 flight sims , its a niche markets so the price goes up , so we either pay up or our hobby dies . FYI the sims worth it.

[Fuct Airlines]

Yeah Im hoping for more updates but i'm not flogging it. In fact I wish for the Il2 franchise to continue to be the flag bearer for historic flight sims for many years to come. This coming form someone who has experienced the IL2 franchise from day 1.

I believe i'm more than qualified to express my opinion on the balance issues. Historically the germans lost 900-1000 aircraft in the battle. The Russians lost 2500-2700. Yet they had similar numbers of aircraft to commit to the battle. That is just one example of a clear advantage in aircraft technology.

The FW190 had a roll rate and other dominating characteristics when first introduced to the war that set it apart and contributed to i'ts dominance in a number of battle theatres, But these real life characteristics have have always been out weighed by un-realistic tweaks to opposition aircraft flight models in the interest of balance.

Don't get me wrong the Russians had some great airctaft but the germans had better. I would accept "tweaks" to FM's in the interest of balance for a game but the opposite it seems has occured for a long time. Perfect example....

The germans had the Me262 and He162 as operational jet fighters during the war, But in Il2 they added a host of american/russian jet fighters that never seen active service to the game. That's not realistic but they did it anyway in the interest of balance.

So if Balance outweighs reality, It cant really be called a simulator can it..

[Fuct Airlines]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RIP KNEECAPPER:

1. german planes ares abit better overall thats why most people play german.
2. theres not much money in making ww2 flight sims , its a niche markets so the price goes up , so we either pay up or our hobby dies . FYI the sims worth it.

Statistically they are. They also are on paper. Its when they get under-modelled deliberately.. I understand the purpose of balance otherwise why would anyone fly anything less then the winning side. I just dont want to be in a situation again where I have used an inferior planes strengths professionally to earn a winning advantage "firing position" only to see my bullets hit and have little to no effect. Then to be fired apon with less effective ammunition and have to ditch immediately

[Fuct Airlines]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Chocoloco:

BoS has constantly seen huge updates so not flogging it is justified. Guess you'll have to wait for the next sale if it isn't worth it to you. BoM also adds more immersion in the generated campaigns, new map and afaik more mp modes available on the moscow map.

Do I have to buy BOS before i can buy BOM? If i have to buy BOS and then BOM thats $128 in total. Big investment. Its a shame that its reached the point where such high prices have to be paid for a quality historical sim where the likes of Rust and Ark Survival are below the $30 mark. I guess thats why Real housewives of Beverly hills has higher ratings than the likes of History channel. Thats actually quite depressing

[Chocoloco]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Vonrippedoften:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Chocoloco:

BoS has constantly seen huge updates so not flogging it is justified. Guess you'll have to wait for the next sale if it isn't worth it to you. BoM also adds more immersion in the generated campaigns, new map and afaik more mp modes available on the moscow map.

Do I have to buy BOS before i can buy BOM? If i have to buy BOS and then BOM thats $128 in total. Big investment. Its a shame that its reached the point where such high prices have to be paid for a quality historical sim where the likes of Rust and Ark Survival are below the $30 mark. I guess thats why Real housewives of Beverly hills has higher ratings than the likes of History channel. Thats actually quite depressing

On Steam BoM is a DLC for BoS. But if you buy it directly from the developer's website you can run BoM also as standalone, but you won't be able to associate it with your Steam account (some people somehow feel this is important to them, Idk why). This doesn't affect the game experience in any way though.

[Fuct Airlines]

Just checked the average player count. 120 players with 240 peak last month. If buying both would some how make a difference I would but those numbers make it hard to justify. That's actually makes me quite sad

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https://steamdb.info/app/307960/

As you can see it is on sale quite a bit. Use that steamdb site for dlc sale history also.

After getting into BOS, I bought BOM, both on sale, but at different times.

Then I liked the game so much I bought the MC. 202, FW-190, and JU-52 from the official site to support the devs $$$.

We are getting constant updates, the devs listen to the community (big long convos about how incorret the FW 190 flight model was, AND THEY FIXED IT)

Next we get battle of Kuban, check this out:
https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2016/12/07/battle-of-kuban-what-content-is-coming-and-when/

Then after that we get 2 possibly 3 Pacific Theatre DLCs!!! Just keep in mind that each dlc/expansion like that will take about a year to complete.

[Fuct Airlines]

Well i hope the player numbers increase as well as sales in order to justify their efforts. Worst fear is that this project becomes so "Niche" That its not worth the Devs time to improve the current sim or even worse, Give up on future versions of the franchise

[Chocoloco]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Vonrippedoften:

Just checked the average player count. 120 players with 240 peak last month. If buying both would some how make a difference I would but those numbers make it hard to justify. That's actually makes me quite sad

That's because many people use the non-Steam version. Steam numbers don't accurately reflect the player numbers.

[Fuct Airlines]

Yeah took that into consideration. Ill sleep on it. Really want to buy the game but as originally stated. My experience has shown me a bias to the non axis flight models. Want to support these guys. I'll check the official site and if not ill wait for a sale

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Seems like everytime it's on sale on steam it's on sale on the official site too so...

[Fuct Airlines]

Ok ty Added to wishlist so I get notification. I'd really like a hard copy tbh. Digital copies of games can have limited shelf life.. Miss the hard copy days when you would get maps and pctures etc with the game

[Chocoloco]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Vonrippedoften:

Ok ty Added to wishlist so I get notification. I'd really like a hard copy tbh. Digital copies of games can have limited shelf life.. Miss the hard copy days when you would get maps and pctures etc with the game

In that case it might be worth noting that the game requires always-on connection for anything except the quick battle function. So, if offline or the servers are unreachable somehow you cannot play campaign mode.

[Sekij]

I got some War Thunder Flashback with this Russian Bias ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. As Germans are not OP enough ingame.

I only play on Wings of Liberty Server which can hold max 84 Players or so... so for me the montly 240 people are more than enough :D Its a server with an own Stats side http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/de/?tour=19

Even the germans have much better planes they tend to lose overall if you look at the stats in previous months... i heard people calling it bias as well hehe. The reason is simple while the German playerbase is full of Hartmann wannabe's who ignore the mission tasks the Soviets fly alot of Ground attacker. Resulting in high kill counts for german player but more wins for soviet objective player.


Also it will play quite diffrently than Il2 from the old days... because Il2 1946 plays like an arcade game compared to this... could be at beginning really annoying here, but when you fly Germans it will be easy anyway :D you dont even need to bother with Mixture or cooling stuff.